noctralucent 0 #1 July 23, 2005 Do the packers at your DZ get charged for all or part of the cost of a lost cutaway main that they packed? I'm not talking about a reserve re-pack but for the replacement cost of the main? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2 July 23, 2005 No. 5 or 6 dollars per pack job does not allow them to accumulate enough spare capital to repay losses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #3 July 23, 2005 If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster. Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 July 23, 2005 Quite simply, shit happens. Just like when you buy a jump ticket you take your chances, if you're lazy enough to use a packer (and I use them sometimes as well), then you take the chance of possibly having a mal and losing/damaging your main.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GogglesnTeeth 6 #5 July 23, 2005 IMO If you trust a packer to pack your gear, then you are accepting the consiquences of what happens when you jump it. If it's a bad opening, pack it yourself next time. If it's a cut away, pack it yourself next time, etc I always pack my own, so I only have one person to blame at opening.... But that's my opinion.Goggles and Teeth "You fall like a greased safe!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #6 July 23, 2005 Can you say fuck that.I would never ask a packer to replace a main or pay for my repack.If you want a guarantee pack for your fucking self and see if that guaranties you never lose anything.If someone is trying to get you to pay for a main tell them to blow you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noctralucent 0 #7 July 23, 2005 Not even if it is a student or tandem rig owned by the DZ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #8 July 23, 2005 Such a guarantee would imply a direct relationship between the pack job and the cutaway. There are other factors. Next jump, dip your left shoulder really deep while you dump. If you get a spanking opening followed by linetwists, that would be your fault. Body position. If you jump an elliptical, tighten your legstraps to different lengths. If will cause you to open in a mad spin. It isn't always the pack job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btucker 0 #9 July 24, 2005 what about a packer working for a DZ. What happens if there is a MAL - which is obviously the packers fault? Blue dreams, Benno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 July 24, 2005 Quotewhat about a packer working for a DZ. What happens if there is a MAL - which is obviously the packers fault? Blue dreams, Benno The way I see it is - you pays your money, and you takes your chances...nobody is forcing you to use a packer - it's a service the DZ offers for your convenience...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #11 July 24, 2005 Most packers take great pride in their work.I know I do.When a Malfunction does happen,nobody feels worse then the packer.When they accidently "Slam" someone they also are forced to do something different to solve the problem.I.e.rubbers changes to the small ones for the small parachutes and "No Nose Stuffing to the Tail" solved the problem this week.They work hard for the little money they earn.They get little respect and are the most tired at the end of the day.So Right,no Liability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #12 July 24, 2005 It's a matter of perspective. If you pack your own main & it mals, it's your packing. If a packer packs your main & it mals, it's your body position. All joking aside, I echo the other replies: packers bust their asses in the heat; they take their responsibility very seriously, and feel shitty when a canopy they've packed mals. Nobody forces you to use a packer. Students should learn how to pack ASAP. If you do use packers, tip them well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #13 July 24, 2005 I don't know if she still does it, but Packin' Kathy used to warrant her pack jobs against the cost of a reserve repack due to a mal. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 July 24, 2005 QuoteI don't know if she still does it, but Packin' Kathy used to warrant her pack jobs against the cost of a reserve repack due to a mal. mh . Last time I talked to her, she did. However, I think that it is just like anything else in skydiving, there are no guarantees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #15 July 24, 2005 She also charges more $ to cover the gaurentee. She does not cover any lost parts like the main or Frrebag, she will just repack the reserve for free.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #16 July 24, 2005 You Tell 'em Chris !!!!!! That's like suing one's parents for genetic malpractice, just because we turned out to be ugly fucks !Y yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #17 July 24, 2005 Quoteyou pays your money, and you takes your chances...nobody is forcing you to use a packer Hell yeah!! I get tired of people trying to blame everything on us packers. If someone ever tries to blame line twists on me, i won't even pack for them anymore. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 July 24, 2005 No............but I have often wanted to take her in the back room for a good spanking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #19 July 24, 2005 I always four line my canopy, cock my pilot chute, and set my brakes before laying the gear down for someone else to pack. I can deal with anything that happens after that . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #20 July 25, 2005 QuoteI always four line my canopy, cock my pilot chute, and set my brakes before laying the gear down for someone else to pack. NickD BASE 194 What's four line mean?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #21 July 25, 2005 4 line check? checking the outside lines normally tracing from 4 to 2 lines... a check to see if you have any stepthroughs, twists, etc...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RastaRicanAir 0 #22 July 25, 2005 Quotewhat about a packer working for a DZ. What happens if there is a MAL - which is obviously the packers fault? Blue dreams, Benno In that case. YES. The packer should pay. As long as you are willing to A) buy extra slots for a crew of camera fliers to capture your opening from several different angles on every jump you make; and then B) exhibit the slow motion video for a jury of riggers and instructors, obtaining a unanimous verdict that the mishap could absolutely not have been caused by body position, faulty equipment, dumb f*ckin' luck or any other outside factors, then you can make a case against your packer. At which point, C) the DZO could be brought in to make a ruling on whether the packer should pay for your main, or you should get off your lazy ass and go look for it again. But until you can prove said "fault" beyond a reasonable doubt, you may do well to realize that for five bucks you're not buying an opening, you're buying a pack job.OrFunV/LocoBoca Rodriguez/Sonic Grieco/Muff Brother #4411 -"and ladies....messin with Robbie is venturing into territory you cant even imagine!-cuz Robbie is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #23 July 25, 2005 I have packed professionally at DZ's. A packers job is to get you on the airplane. You should set your own brakes and make sure your lines are clean before giving it to a packer. If something mal's the packer might or might not be at fault. Either way they will not pay for the reserve repack. I have only heard of one packer guaranteeing his packs and I think that was at Lake Wales. I am not sure if he still does it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skychick312 0 #24 July 25, 2005 QuoteDo the packers at your DZ get charged for all or part of the cost of a lost cutaway main that they packed? I'm not talking about a reserve re-pack but for the replacement cost of the main? F* that...When you get a packer you are paying for the pack job/packer not the opening!!! My line is that is if you dont like my pack jobs then pack them yourself...and I am sorry I am not going to help buy another main....I will feel really bad if I do give someone a cutaway!!! I feel bad if I give someone line twists.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be the change you wish to see in the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #25 July 25, 2005 No, beacuse it always seems to be 'bad body position' that caused the malfunction Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
