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Is there a / after the part number you posted? The number you posted is known as the CAGEC in the TM, the actual part number follows the / . See example.


From what you posted of the serial # my initial guess is that particular parachute was part of a complete system designed for static line deployment. Its not uncommon to see MT-2XX or MC5 data panels with SLX in the serial number block. I'll have to check the MC-5 manual to be positive but its at work.


PS:Does your canopy have a square piece of cotton cloth sewn to the canopy with a grommet in it at the bridle attachment point?
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One of these canopies I think is a MT-1X:
p/n 810205-0, ser SLX-(edited)

But I don’t know what the other is:
p/n 811810-0, ser SLX-(edited)

both have the attachment point on the slider,
and the cotton pad and grommet on the top skin for the p/c reefing system ?

Phil

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One of these canopies I think is a MT-1X:
p/n 810205-0, ser SLX-(edited)

But I don’t know what the other is:
p/n 811810-0, ser SLX-(edited)

both have the attachment point on the slider,
and the cotton pad and grommet on the top skin for the p/c reefing system ?

Phil



I am 99% sure you have MC-5 canopies. The first PN you gave(810205) is the PN used by Airborne Systems for the MC-5 canopies. The 811810 PN is the only one I don't have a solid ID on but based on its number and the numbers in the MC5 system, I'm guessing its from a MC5. See product brochure with numbers HERE
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So...
the p/n 810205-0 is a MC-5 canopy,
and not at MT-1X ?

And the p/n 811810-0 is still unknown ?

Thanks,
Phil.




Without having the TM in front of me and based off of Airborne Systems pdf , yes it appears that the canopy you have came out of a MC-5/MT-2XX H/C system. If you go back and look at the evolution of the MT-1X series, the main/reserve canopies are pretty similar.

The second canopy is probably out of a MC5 or MT-2XX system. Is it identical to the canopy with the 810205 PN?
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both have the attachment point on the slider,
and the cotton pad and grommet on the top skin for the p/c reefing system ?




I missed this part. If both canopies have this on them, it is the MC-5 canopy, which is basically the MC-4 canopy with the cotton buffer pad and the grommet for use with the double bag during static line deployment. No other MC series canopies made by this company have a cotton buffer pad and grommet on the top skin, these were only made for the MC-5(Marine)/ MT-2XX (Navy) system.
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OK, do I understand this correctly ?

Both canopies have the reefing system on it,
so they can only be MC-5 canopies, or MT-2XX canopies.

The p/n 810205 matches MC5 product brochure,
so it can be for the MC-5(Marine) rig,
but we don't know if it can be used in the 2XX (Navy) rig also.
And this canopy can be used as a main or reserve.

The p/n 811810-0 is still unknown,
and could be for the MC-5(Marine) rig, or the MT-2XX (Navy) rig.


Looking again at the two canopies,
I notice the MC-5 canopy has two brake setting,
(one for use as a main, and the other as a reserve ?)

And the unknown one only has one brake setting,
(so it is a main canopy only ???)

However both canopies came un-used with red toggles.

Thanks for all your help so far !
Phil.

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OK, do I understand this correctly ?

Both canopies have the reefing system on it,
so they can only be MC-5 canopies,
or MT-2XX canopies.

The p/n 810205 matches MC5 product brochure so it must be for the MC-5(Marine) rig, and this canopy, can be used as a main or reserve.

The p/n 811810-0 is still unknown, and could be for the MC-5(Marine) rig, or the MT-2XX (Navy) rig.


Looking again at the two canopies I notice the MC-5 canopy has two brake setting,
(one for use as a main, and the other as a reserve ?)

And the unknown one only has one brake setting,
(so it is a main canopy only ?)

However both canopies came with red toggles.

Thanks for all your help so far !
Phil.




Phil, there is no difference between the main and reserve canopies. Normally when a main canopy on a system needs to be replaced the reserve is moved to the main and the new canopy goes in as a reserve. This is done solely to facilitate rotating stock and the PIS(Put In Service) dates of the canopies as they are only considered serviceable for 12 years in the military.

MC-5/MT-2XX= same thing. Marines called it the MC-5, Navy called it MT-2xx


As for brake settings, the reserve risers are part of the H/C system and the brake setting/control line guide ring is on that set of risers. Are you saying that the control lines on one of the canopies has two sets of cat eyes instead of one? I'd have to look at the MC-5 TM to see if there was a second cat eye on the control lines for static line use or not.

Red toggles are standard in the military(see attachment).
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The control lines on the MC-5 canopy have two sets of cat-eyes.
All the bar-tacks on both canopies are gray,
except for the upper cat-eyes on this canopy which are red.

The unknown canopy does not have these second set of cat-eyes.

Looking at the picture you last posted,
I don't see the second set of cat-eyes on that canopies control lines either.

Phil.

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I'm not 100% sure but I believe the upper most set were for when the system was in static line configuration and the lower set when it was in free fall configuration. I'd have to crack the manual to be certain though. The cat eyes on the other canopy are they in line with the upper most cat eyes or the bottoms of the MC-5 canopy?
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I can't tell if they line up without stretching out both canopies and measuring from the top,
as measuring from the bottom is not working,
because there are no markings for where to tie off the toggles.

The cat-eyes are within 8 inches of each other.

So the containers for a MC-5 and a MT-2XX are exactly the same ?

Phil.

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I can't tell if they line up without stretching out both canopies and measuring from the top,
as measuring from the bottom is not working,
because there are no markings for where to tie off the toggles.

The cat-eyes are within 8 inches of each other.

So the containers for a MC-5 and a MT-2XX are exactly the same ?

Phil.




Measuring from the top (canopy) down is how its done in the TM as well for setting control line length. Excess is trimmed off after the overhand knot. Best bet is to lay them out and compare.


You will find the MC-5 H/C to be mostly OD Green and the MT-2XX H/C are mostly the battleship gray color(like the AF one pictured in the 1st post of this thread). I think there are also a few black ones out there as well. All use a 2 pin on the main container.
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Years ago I had a black one, without any bags or handles or stuff, and two de-milled MT-1X canopies.

Back then I couldn't find any info on the stuff, and I ended up jucking it all.

I learnt more from you this evening, than all the months of searching around back then.

Again, thanks alot for all you help.

Please let me know if you figure out what this other canopy is.
It looks exactly the same as the other one,
except for the extra set of cat-eyes, and the part number.

Phil.
(oh, I think the black container I had was called a MT-1XX, and I wish I still had it now...)

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I learnt more from you this evening, than all the months of searching around back then.

Again, thanks alot for all you help.



No worries, I am still learning myself. Glad I could help you out.:)
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Did you find out what the p/n 811810-0 is ?
Phil.



OK, here is the low down and I double checked with the MFGR to be 100% sure on this.

That canopy came out of what is known as the MT-1XS (Navy) system which was the predecessor to the MC-5. That canopy and the MC-5 canopy are identical, the only differences are in seam locations, buffer material type, etc. In other words, nothing that is apparent to the user. Flight characteristics and plan form are identical to the MC-5. It was designed for static line and freefall use.


The 2nd set of red cat eyes on the MC-5 canopy are for use when the parachute is being used as a reserve, as the reserve risers are 8" shorter than the main risers on the MC-5 H/C.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
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