billvon 2,392 #51 December 8, 2005 >but giving or selling those tickets to someone that will use them >doesn't really help the DZ at all. I would also add that Buzz will accept Andy's tickets. So your choices are: -Use em all up now. Andy is thus out the money (or out the slots, which is almost the same.) -Use em all up in March. Then Buzz is out the money. -Keep em all and don't use them. No one is out the money.' Your choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #52 December 8, 2005 QuoteIf you really want to support the DZO, throw them out Are you referring to an "Accounts Payable "aspect when you mean support? since we paid the tickets already, he has to supply the service therefore unused tickets means service not supplied thereby increasing his profit by lowering his Accounts Payable. If this is the case and you plan to do this, it would a good idea to tell Andy for accounting purposes._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rondoman 7 #53 December 8, 2005 Seems to me, not one person, other than perhaps Enrique, has suggested asking Buzz for his side of this. Yet, plenty of people are willing to flame away while having only one half of the story.Rondo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #54 December 8, 2005 Interesting that the only time you ever post is to stick up for Buzz. I wonder why that is Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rondoman 7 #55 December 8, 2005 Keith, Seems the only time you respond to my posts is to dis me. What's up with that? Please re-read my post. It states a simple observation: most of the folks all fired up and upset about the Skydive San Diego situation are seemingly unwilling to ask the source: Buzz. Yet, they are VERY willing to disparage and vilify the guy online when operating with just half the story. Ask him about it, then make a judgement. That's the adult thing to do.Rondo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #56 December 8, 2005 You still didn't answer my question.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buzzfink 5 #57 December 8, 2005 I appreciate the posts from people stating there are two sides. Let me clarify some of the misinformation: There will be no break in jumping. We will be jumping in January. All gift certificates and tickets will be honored. Andy and I have been working for the last 3 months on the renewal/expiration of the management agreement. This is not an "opportunistic" taking of the dropzone or something that was done in haste without thought or discussions. I entered into a management agreement with Andy which was for a peiod of two years. That contract could be extended based on mutual agreement. In other words, if either one wanted out, they had that option. There were no hidden clauses or trapdoors. Andy is not being terminated or kicked off the DZ. The contract is expiring on it's own accord. I've left two phone messages for Chuck Appley but have yet to get a returned phone call. I spoke with Andy regarding Chuck and he was surprised by his comments too. One of Chucks comments at the DZ was "we are going to make Buzz Pay". He has also stated that Andy has paid for all improvements and I am taking them from him. Again, that is absolutly not true. Ask Andy if you do not believe me. As for Don Carr stating he has heard both sides, this is simply not true. I have yet to speak with him but am willing to sit down and explain as much as I can. I do consider Andy a friend and think that alot has been accomplished over the last two years. I have vowed to assist him in every way in his future endeavor. In respect to Andy, I would refer you to ask him any details of the management agreement. If he wishes to share it, I have no problem with it. Once again, Thanks to all who did not blindly accept one side of the story. Feel free to e-mail me and I will even send you my phone number if you wish . Respectfully, Buzz Fink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donmullenix 0 #58 December 9, 2005 Well, we have pretty much beat this one to death. Let's move on and do some skydiving. Did I mention the tampons are on sale. Don (the happy one) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDon 0 #59 December 9, 2005 ***Did I mention the tampons are on sale. where? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evelyn 0 #60 December 9, 2005 OMG, I am so sorry to hear that. I really like that DZ. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing ~ Helen Keller Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAVE619 0 #61 December 9, 2005 I DONT CARE WHO OWNS THAT PLACE AS LONG AS THEY STILL HAVE KICK ASS AIRCRAFT AND A NICE VIEW! IM PLANING ON BEING OUT THERE AFTER CHRISTMAS. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME OUT THERE AND FREEFLY WITH ME IS WELCOME TO JOIN ME. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabregrl 0 #62 December 10, 2005 The drama continues - all I will add is one word...karma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDon 0 #63 December 10, 2005 ***The drama continues - all I will add is one word...karma What are you talking about, Andy didn't deserve to have that happen to him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coelho10 0 #64 December 10, 2005 To all those concerned about the Skydive San Diego business, this is cindy with manifest. I'm sure you all understand how I feel about the situation With that being said I feel that we should all handle this matter with a degree of maturity. Posting negative comments is not going to help, it is spreading bad vibes! If your goal is to support Andy we need to refocus our enery in a positive direction. Cindy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speer 0 #65 December 15, 2005 I agree whole-heartedly with Cindy that negative comments are not beneficial, especially in the absence of any compelling reason to do so... I have had nothing in my dealings with either Buzz or Andy to cause me to have anything but respect for them. I have no evidence that there was any problem in their dealings with each other, and I choose to honor each of them till further info on the operational change at Otay is known. I have not yet had the opportunity to talk to either of them, so in the meantime, I'll discount the mudslinging that is occurring here as a predictable fear of change. Buzz took over Otay and made some significant improvements, Andy followed with the stunning upgrades we've seen in the last couple years. This DZ has overcome alot in the last three plus years... I hope it will continue to blossom, with Andy, Buzz, and all the great staff there continuing to prosper. My heart felt appreciation goes out to everyone there, staff and jumpers alike, who have made it the great place that I trust it will remain. Russ Generally, it is your choice; will your life serve as an example... or a warning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfers98 0 #66 December 15, 2005 I can appreciate the nature of Buzz & Andy's business relationship, but that doesn't mean I'm any less disappointed to see Andy go. He's put in so much hard work improving the DZ; nobody will forget that anytime soon. I'd like to extend my best wishes to Andy wherever he goes. I'll also continue to support my local DZ. Skydiving may be a sport but it's also a business. See you all at the DZ. Blue skies, Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #68 December 16, 2005 FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
