skydemon2 0 #1 March 28, 2008 Any one got instructions ?Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #2 March 28, 2008 A master rigger told me to put some stiff foam in the main pack tray of the container. It goes against the part that is up against your back when you're wearing it. Hold it in with super tack in all 4 corners. He said to start with a 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch thickness for what I was needing. I have a Vector 1/V8 I think. It held my 215 Monarch pretty well, the 150 Stilleto was pretty loose. He said not to put foam in the D-bag because it won't last long."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #3 March 28, 2008 Thanks I was thinking of some high density foam and cutting a 3 sided tray out, all the info I found said to sew it in but I was wondering if the was another way, velcro? I would like to be able to remove it easily and be able to switch canopies when I wanted. You know I want my cake and eat it too! (I dont know what super tack is? Glue?) Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genego 2 #4 March 28, 2008 If ya don't know what super tack is ya might just want to consult your local rigger. Any time you modify your rig you can increase the potential for an unanticipated problem.QuoteI live with fear and terror, but sometimes I leave her and go skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gearless_chris 1 #5 March 28, 2008 I just looked up super tack at Paragear. $17 for a spool, E thread is $22. You might be able to sew in some velcro to hold the pad in but it probably won't stay put. If you don't have a spool of E thread you should get one, comes in handy if you need to replace a line or something. If you're just tacking the corners down it wouldn't be difficult to remove the foam later."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #6 March 28, 2008 Yes I understand that! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gearless_chris 1 #7 March 28, 2008 QuoteIf ya don't know what super tack is ya might just want to consult your local rigger. Any time you modify your rig you can increase the potential for an unanticipated problem. Quote I was also told that technically it's not legal because you're modifying the container, but it is commonly done. And by just tacking in the corners it will PROBABLY rip out in case of a snag. Still ask your rigger though."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #8 March 28, 2008 Rigger said he could do it but I was looking for info on what was involved in making the pillow. So I could understand it and see if there was a way to make it a quick change, rather than sewing it in. I did not have the time to really get in depth with rigger so I thought Id post it here and see what I could find out.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 36 #9 March 28, 2008 Twelve hundred jumps and you don't know what super tack is? I guess, but since there is super tack in several places on your rig it would be good to know what it is. As above was said while I was writing, do not do this by yourself. And IMHO it's not a good idea at all. Especially long term. I've seen padding in chest mount reserves along with several main containers. Including in one of mine. But any corner not secured or any other loose component could potentially trap a line or give it something to half hitch around or could trap a riser, pull a toggle loose, or cause some other unanticipated problem. Remember the container has to be tight enough for the main loop and pin to be secure. For a few jumps to try a canopy in your own rig the pluses may out weigh the negatives. But I wouldn't recommend it for routine use. But it should be a semipermanent installation. Not something that you can change from jump to jump. All that being said I know this has been done a lot over the years. Super tack is the waxed, black flat cord or tape that is used to fasten the end of ripcord housings among other things. Look at the end of you reserve rc housing for the black heavy thread. (Unless yours is clamped.) 80 pound tensile strength is most common.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 102 #10 March 28, 2008 Sew-in on your Javelin would require either sewing through the backpad or partial disassembly of the container from the backpad. I think I'd try a three-sided pocket like you imagined at first, but extend the top so you have a velcro-secured envelope. Tack the corners of the pocket to the pack tray. The empty envelope won't add any significant bulk, but you should be able to insert a foam spacer when needed -- just make sure the envelope is roomy enough. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #11 March 28, 2008 I got it, its the heavy black thread, for some reason super tack made me think of glue. I'm not even sure I need one the container closes fine with the closing loop the same length as the bigger chute just the material is a little slack on the sides and in the bottom corners by the pilot chute. But I thought I would check into it in case I need it.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #12 March 28, 2008 Good idea! Thanks and thanks to eveyone else. I will let the rigger check it out and see what he thinks! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 261 #13 March 28, 2008 Supertacking a pillow is a simple way to do it. Some sewing can be done but it works better on older gear without fancier thick padding in the backpad. One end of the pillow doesn't even need velcro to allow access to the pillow to change the thickness. One can just have a flap of material that is sewn only at the two ends. It holds the foam in but can flex open enough to allow the foam to be changed if needed. I've also seen or built pillows that fit up against the reserve container, sewn and or tacked to the reserve container, not just the backpad. It may be trickier to do, but instead of creating a flatter container space, it makes one that is shorter from top to bottom, which actually works better to match the d-bags on smaller canopies. The one on my rig has the ends open, so it is easy to pull the foam out to switch thicknesses, or even remove the foam entirely and press the flap against the reserve tray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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gearless_chris 1 #5 March 28, 2008 I just looked up super tack at Paragear. $17 for a spool, E thread is $22. You might be able to sew in some velcro to hold the pad in but it probably won't stay put. If you don't have a spool of E thread you should get one, comes in handy if you need to replace a line or something. If you're just tacking the corners down it wouldn't be difficult to remove the foam later."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #6 March 28, 2008 Yes I understand that! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #7 March 28, 2008 QuoteIf ya don't know what super tack is ya might just want to consult your local rigger. Any time you modify your rig you can increase the potential for an unanticipated problem. Quote I was also told that technically it's not legal because you're modifying the container, but it is commonly done. And by just tacking in the corners it will PROBABLY rip out in case of a snag. Still ask your rigger though."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #8 March 28, 2008 Rigger said he could do it but I was looking for info on what was involved in making the pillow. So I could understand it and see if there was a way to make it a quick change, rather than sewing it in. I did not have the time to really get in depth with rigger so I thought Id post it here and see what I could find out.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 36 #9 March 28, 2008 Twelve hundred jumps and you don't know what super tack is? I guess, but since there is super tack in several places on your rig it would be good to know what it is. As above was said while I was writing, do not do this by yourself. And IMHO it's not a good idea at all. Especially long term. I've seen padding in chest mount reserves along with several main containers. Including in one of mine. But any corner not secured or any other loose component could potentially trap a line or give it something to half hitch around or could trap a riser, pull a toggle loose, or cause some other unanticipated problem. Remember the container has to be tight enough for the main loop and pin to be secure. For a few jumps to try a canopy in your own rig the pluses may out weigh the negatives. But I wouldn't recommend it for routine use. But it should be a semipermanent installation. Not something that you can change from jump to jump. All that being said I know this has been done a lot over the years. Super tack is the waxed, black flat cord or tape that is used to fasten the end of ripcord housings among other things. Look at the end of you reserve rc housing for the black heavy thread. (Unless yours is clamped.) 80 pound tensile strength is most common.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 102 #10 March 28, 2008 Sew-in on your Javelin would require either sewing through the backpad or partial disassembly of the container from the backpad. I think I'd try a three-sided pocket like you imagined at first, but extend the top so you have a velcro-secured envelope. Tack the corners of the pocket to the pack tray. The empty envelope won't add any significant bulk, but you should be able to insert a foam spacer when needed -- just make sure the envelope is roomy enough. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #11 March 28, 2008 I got it, its the heavy black thread, for some reason super tack made me think of glue. I'm not even sure I need one the container closes fine with the closing loop the same length as the bigger chute just the material is a little slack on the sides and in the bottom corners by the pilot chute. But I thought I would check into it in case I need it.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydemon2 0 #12 March 28, 2008 Good idea! Thanks and thanks to eveyone else. I will let the rigger check it out and see what he thinks! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 261 #13 March 28, 2008 Supertacking a pillow is a simple way to do it. Some sewing can be done but it works better on older gear without fancier thick padding in the backpad. One end of the pillow doesn't even need velcro to allow access to the pillow to change the thickness. One can just have a flap of material that is sewn only at the two ends. It holds the foam in but can flex open enough to allow the foam to be changed if needed. I've also seen or built pillows that fit up against the reserve container, sewn and or tacked to the reserve container, not just the backpad. It may be trickier to do, but instead of creating a flatter container space, it makes one that is shorter from top to bottom, which actually works better to match the d-bags on smaller canopies. The one on my rig has the ends open, so it is easy to pull the foam out to switch thicknesses, or even remove the foam entirely and press the flap against the reserve tray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydemon2 0 #8 March 28, 2008 Rigger said he could do it but I was looking for info on what was involved in making the pillow. So I could understand it and see if there was a way to make it a quick change, rather than sewing it in. I did not have the time to really get in depth with rigger so I thought Id post it here and see what I could find out.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #9 March 28, 2008 Twelve hundred jumps and you don't know what super tack is? I guess, but since there is super tack in several places on your rig it would be good to know what it is. As above was said while I was writing, do not do this by yourself. And IMHO it's not a good idea at all. Especially long term. I've seen padding in chest mount reserves along with several main containers. Including in one of mine. But any corner not secured or any other loose component could potentially trap a line or give it something to half hitch around or could trap a riser, pull a toggle loose, or cause some other unanticipated problem. Remember the container has to be tight enough for the main loop and pin to be secure. For a few jumps to try a canopy in your own rig the pluses may out weigh the negatives. But I wouldn't recommend it for routine use. But it should be a semipermanent installation. Not something that you can change from jump to jump. All that being said I know this has been done a lot over the years. Super tack is the waxed, black flat cord or tape that is used to fasten the end of ripcord housings among other things. Look at the end of you reserve rc housing for the black heavy thread. (Unless yours is clamped.) 80 pound tensile strength is most common.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 102 #10 March 28, 2008 Sew-in on your Javelin would require either sewing through the backpad or partial disassembly of the container from the backpad. I think I'd try a three-sided pocket like you imagined at first, but extend the top so you have a velcro-secured envelope. Tack the corners of the pocket to the pack tray. The empty envelope won't add any significant bulk, but you should be able to insert a foam spacer when needed -- just make sure the envelope is roomy enough. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #11 March 28, 2008 I got it, its the heavy black thread, for some reason super tack made me think of glue. I'm not even sure I need one the container closes fine with the closing loop the same length as the bigger chute just the material is a little slack on the sides and in the bottom corners by the pilot chute. But I thought I would check into it in case I need it.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #12 March 28, 2008 Good idea! Thanks and thanks to eveyone else. I will let the rigger check it out and see what he thinks! Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #13 March 28, 2008 Supertacking a pillow is a simple way to do it. Some sewing can be done but it works better on older gear without fancier thick padding in the backpad. One end of the pillow doesn't even need velcro to allow access to the pillow to change the thickness. One can just have a flap of material that is sewn only at the two ends. It holds the foam in but can flex open enough to allow the foam to be changed if needed. I've also seen or built pillows that fit up against the reserve container, sewn and or tacked to the reserve container, not just the backpad. It may be trickier to do, but instead of creating a flatter container space, it makes one that is shorter from top to bottom, which actually works better to match the d-bags on smaller canopies. The one on my rig has the ends open, so it is easy to pull the foam out to switch thicknesses, or even remove the foam entirely and press the flap against the reserve tray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
