texmex 0 #26 September 10, 2013 Why in the world would you switch from a Sabre2 to a hornet? I had a hornet for a week. It almost snapped me and another guy in half. Sure they fly GREAT if you're still conscious to enjoy it. Yes the 2nd gen does open a bit better but it's still a brutal canopy if not packed perfectly every time. Don't buy a 20year old canopy design. They don't make the hornet anymore for a reason. Ease of packing should never be a factor in canopy buying. If you have trouble packing new canopies, practice. They are easy once you figure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #27 September 10, 2013 get a Pulse if you want a modern canopy that's easy to pack... it's as easy as folding tissue paper and putting it into the dbag even the ZP part isn't same the super-slippery stuff that my Nitron is made of; it's more like packing F-111NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #28 September 10, 2013 They still make the Hornet, they just changed the name to "Pilot" Oh, and doubled the price. Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #29 September 10, 2013 texmexWhy in the world would you switch from a Sabre2 to a hornet? I had a hornet for a week. It almost snapped me and another guy in half. Sure they fly GREAT if you're still conscious to enjoy it. Yes the 2nd gen does open a bit better but it's still a brutal canopy if not packed perfectly every time. Don't buy a 20year old canopy design. They don't make the hornet anymore for a reason. Ease of packing should never be a factor in canopy buying. If you have trouble packing new canopies, practice. They are easy once you figure it out. I have heard that a few times but it's mostly bullshit. I and others I know put hundreds of jumps on Hornets without ever getting hammered by them. ALL canopies require due diligence when packing and opening. ALL canopies can spank you if mistreated. I had ONE dodgy opening om my Hornet and it was due to ME not the canopy. 450 jumps on it.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mereanarchy 0 #30 September 10, 2013 The Sabre2 I am on is a rental. I like it, and had heard (which is echoed in this thread) that it is similar to the Hornet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #31 September 11, 2013 all the lightly-tapered-9-cell-semi-elliptical-etc-etc canopies are going to have similar overall flight characteristics demo a few and pick the one that suits your personal taste; if you can't tell the difference, or they aren't different enough to matter to you personally, just buy the cheapest one NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 622 #32 September 11, 2013 Pitt Meadows used to have 4 Hornet 190s that they used for advanced students (nearing A Certificate) and rental for visiting jumpers. I never heard anyone complain about hard openings and malfunctions were so rare that I would have to read back through six rigger's logbooks to jog my memory. Bottom line, Hornets are great canopies as long as you use them for what they were designed for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #33 September 11, 2013 QuoteThey still make the Hornet, they just changed the name to "Pilot" Oh, and doubled the price. Wink ExactlyOwned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #34 September 11, 2013 labrysQuoteThey still make the Hornet, they just changed the name to "Pilot" Oh, and doubled the price. Wink Exactly Yeah that would actually be a NO, the Pilot and hornet are different planformsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #35 September 11, 2013 QuoteYeah that would actually be a NO, the Pilot and hornet are different planforms No they aren't. They're both 9-cell semi/lightly elliptical.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #36 September 11, 2013 labrysQuoteYeah that would actually be a NO, the Pilot and hornet are different planforms No they aren't. They're both 9-cell semi/lightly elliptical.So is a Sabre2 and Safire2 ALL 4 are different planformsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #37 September 11, 2013 QuoteALL 4 are marginally different planforms fixedNSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #38 September 11, 2013 Quotefixed Not fixed. The canopies may have marginally different designs but they all have the same planform - they are all lightly tapered elipticals. "Planform" is the general shape of the wing when viewed from the top or bottom. http://www.bigairsportz.com/lotus.phpOwned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #39 September 11, 2013 they are generally rectangles, stop being obtuse take the labels off and 99% of skydivers wouldn't be able to tell them apart even when hanging under them...NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #40 September 11, 2013 I'm not being obtuse. Planform actually means something when you're discussing canopies. We tell people not to change planforms and downsize at the same time. That means, for example, not to downsize and go from a lightly elliptical to a fully elliptical canopy at the same time. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't downsize and switch from a Hornet to a Pilot at the same time. It's the change of what we commonly accept the term "planform" to mean as canopy pilots.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,154 #41 September 11, 2013 Sigh... maybe this will help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanformAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #42 September 11, 2013 QuoteSigh... maybe this will help. No, not really. That's a general purpose, non-skydiving definition and I have no issues with it. In skydiving terms, the word 'planform' is very commonly used to differentiate between classes of canopies and how tapered they are. Even though almost every single canopy made is actually elliptical, we call them square (Spectre), lightly elliptical (Sabre2, Pilot, Hornet, Saffire), fully elliptical (Katana, Stilletto) When someone here says "Don't change planforms and downsize at the same time", they're really saying don't switch to a more elliptical class of canopy and downsize at the same time. It is common usage here. This whole argument started when someone claimed that the Hornet and the Pilot are 2 different planforms. In our common usage, I say that they are the same planform. They are both lightly elliptical.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #43 September 11, 2013 Warning! Level 5 autism has been breached!!! Danger! Danger! Abandon thread!!! NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexg3265 0 #44 September 11, 2013 My wife has a hornet 150. I pack it because she occasionally will pack like shit. You cannot trash pack this canopy!! Flake everything and roll the outer 4 nose cells in and tuck them into the nose of e center cell. Double stow, tightly all non-locking stows and it swivels and opens in 3-500 ft. It's definitely easy to pack, the fabric is thicker and easier to handle, but that being said, you better make sure it's perfect. She's had packers(who were very well trained) pack her slammers that she came down with bruises and a bloody lip. So, have fun. She's currently waiting for a safire2 to be done being made. Wanna buy a hornet 150?I was that kid jumping out if his tree house with a bed sheet. My dad wouldn't let me use the ladder to try the roof... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,154 #45 September 11, 2013 It is my belief that the wiki definition agrees with you and supports your position. That was the point I was trying to make. Does that help?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #46 September 11, 2013 QuoteIt is my belief that the wiki definition agrees with you and supports your position. That was the point I was trying to make. Does that help? Ah yes, thanks.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
