cobaltdan 0 #1 March 20, 2007 Introducing the X-1 Atair Aerodynamic's new high speed pro-swoop competition wing. more to follow Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #2 March 20, 2007 Well, now I'm really interested in how it flies compared to a Velo... And just to confirm something: this was developed by Atair USA, right? Or was Stane involved as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 March 20, 2007 Actually, the "sneak peek" was seeing and touching it at PIA! I really do think it's a good looking design, Dan. Take care, Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris-Ottawa 0 #4 March 21, 2007 Hey Dan, So, it looks like a 27 cell crossbraced canopy..... What other specs/info do ya got to share????? Huh Huh, Come on!!! (I'll probably never jump one anytime soon, but I'm still curious) Thanks Chris"When once you have tasted flight..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #5 March 21, 2007 ***So, it looks like a 27 cell crossbraced canopy..... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks like a 7-cell to me.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #6 March 21, 2007 I say it's a 21-cell crossbraced canopy. The nose looks very much like a Velocity, that's why I'd like to know how it performs compared to one. But I guess there's not much chance of getting an X-1 in the ~100 sq.ft. range down to S. America to try out any time real soon, is there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #7 March 21, 2007 It is a 21 cell canopy. It looks like it has a really short line set on it. There are some out there that feel that a longer line set adds some performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #8 March 21, 2007 I'm hesitant to dredge up the old debate again but why isn't it a 7-cell? Other than the X-braces is it different than an ordinary 7-cell except with 3 chambers per cell instead of 2? I'm not trying to be a smartass here just looking for a reasonable explanation. Also do the Velo, FX and Xaos-21 have different nose configurations?Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jose 0 #9 March 21, 2007 QuoteHey Dan, So, it looks like a 27 cell crossbraced canopy..... Have you ever known what you are talking about when it comes to skydiving? Talk less, jump more. There's a reason we were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 March 21, 2007 Looks thinner than the Onyx. Traditional crossbracing or the same as on the Onyx? Longer lineset in perportion to the size of the canopy than the Onyx? That was probably my biggest problem with the Onyx, the lineset felt way too short, killing a lot of potential dive.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #11 March 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey Dan, So, it looks like a 27 cell crossbraced canopy..... Have you ever known what you are talking about when it comes to skydiving? Talk less, jump more. There's a reason we were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth. Educate more, bitch less. Oh, would please complete your profile too? I hope that Chris can help me to find that 6 cells I can find or count . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diveout 0 #12 March 21, 2007 I'd love to demo one if there is no cost involved. The last crossbraced offering, from atair -that I got to fly- with the double diamonds was an abomination unto the lord. However, I love my Troll MDV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMGR2 0 #13 March 21, 2007 This canopy is by no means an abomination. Check the pics in the swooping forum. I will be posting more soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #14 March 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey Dan, So, it looks like a 27 cell crossbraced canopy..... Have you ever known what you are talking about when it comes to skydiving? Talk less, jump more. There's a reason we were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth. Voice of reason as always, Brad, skygod extraordinaire among us mere mortals, invaluable source of priceless advice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris-Ottawa 0 #15 March 21, 2007 QuoteHave you ever known what you are talking about when it comes to skydiving? Talk less, jump more. There's a reason we were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth. Hey, Thanks for the great info, this is did not know. I'm sorry I miscounted cells. Obviously since you're perfect you might also be able to tell me more about the canopy? Your post was useless, I made a mistake, big deal. As for the other 6 cells I counted....well, ummm, yeah, can't explain. I guess I just counted fast and miscounted then rounded up? I don't know. I have no excuses. My bad... Still curious about the canopy though... Chris"When once you have tasted flight..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jose 0 #16 March 21, 2007 QuoteVoice of reason as always, Brad, skygod extraordinaire among us mere mortals, invaluable source of priceless advice. Yes......I am all knowing.... And what I know is that advice on DZ.com is about as useful as a handfull of poop. You can rarely count on the verbal diarrhea being either useful, or accurate. How's that for an invaluable source of priceless advice? Talk less, jump more......now I'll agree 100% with that.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #17 March 21, 2007 Thanks Chuck.... Some general specs: The X-1 is a 7 cell (21 chamber tri-cell) X-brace wing. In fact the first tri-cell I have designed. We have always produced canopies with slower high lift airfoils and short line sets, but the X-1 is a very different animal. It uses a new high speed airfoil and a longer line set. The X-1 was designed strictly for pro-level swoop competitors !Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #18 March 21, 2007 Dan, What were your design considerations/goals when you produced this wing? With all the x-braces on the market, mind elaborating on what makes this one different/special/etc? Not looking for the sales pitch mind you, just trying to figure out what makes this canopy different to other x-braces. Thanks, looking forward to the info Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shogo 0 #19 March 22, 2007 Hi Dan. From the picture you uploaded (and pictures posted by IMGR2 in the swoop forum), the frontal view of the nose (how the middle chamber is all closed up and the overall shape of the leading edge), line length, number of cross bracing in each chambers and etc.... looks very like Velocity, to me. I don’t know if you remember, but I recall you saying to me you are very impressed with the velocity design (A while back in 2001 at x-keys). I am not saying that is a bad thing or anything. (I think some aspects of Sensi looks very like Velo, too.) Would this be your version of an updated canopy to the existing x-braced canopies on the market? I could not tell from the picture, but are there extra d-lines or anything that might make current velo’s d-line slacks on rear input diminish? Like Stiletto compare with Katana or Vengeance? What are differences between this new canopy and other x-braced canopies? Don’t tease us too much… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #20 March 22, 2007 Dan, Is the rib height smaller than a velocity? Looks like it from the picture but it can be deceiving. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivejunky 0 #21 March 22, 2007 Nice picture! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EAerodyne 0 #22 March 23, 2007 Hi Dan, did you manage to license the X-brace technology from Bill Coe? I believe that patent is still valid, and building this in the US and distributing it in the US could be in violation of that patent. Unless, you have somehow got around the patent issues, (hard to tell from the photo) Kind Regards Bushman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #23 March 24, 2007 bushman, I emailled you details.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
cobaltdan 0 #17 March 21, 2007 Thanks Chuck.... Some general specs: The X-1 is a 7 cell (21 chamber tri-cell) X-brace wing. In fact the first tri-cell I have designed. We have always produced canopies with slower high lift airfoils and short line sets, but the X-1 is a very different animal. It uses a new high speed airfoil and a longer line set. The X-1 was designed strictly for pro-level swoop competitors !Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #18 March 21, 2007 Dan, What were your design considerations/goals when you produced this wing? With all the x-braces on the market, mind elaborating on what makes this one different/special/etc? Not looking for the sales pitch mind you, just trying to figure out what makes this canopy different to other x-braces. Thanks, looking forward to the info Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shogo 0 #19 March 22, 2007 Hi Dan. From the picture you uploaded (and pictures posted by IMGR2 in the swoop forum), the frontal view of the nose (how the middle chamber is all closed up and the overall shape of the leading edge), line length, number of cross bracing in each chambers and etc.... looks very like Velocity, to me. I don’t know if you remember, but I recall you saying to me you are very impressed with the velocity design (A while back in 2001 at x-keys). I am not saying that is a bad thing or anything. (I think some aspects of Sensi looks very like Velo, too.) Would this be your version of an updated canopy to the existing x-braced canopies on the market? I could not tell from the picture, but are there extra d-lines or anything that might make current velo’s d-line slacks on rear input diminish? Like Stiletto compare with Katana or Vengeance? What are differences between this new canopy and other x-braced canopies? Don’t tease us too much… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #20 March 22, 2007 Dan, Is the rib height smaller than a velocity? Looks like it from the picture but it can be deceiving. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejunky 0 #21 March 22, 2007 Nice picture! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EAerodyne 0 #22 March 23, 2007 Hi Dan, did you manage to license the X-brace technology from Bill Coe? I believe that patent is still valid, and building this in the US and distributing it in the US could be in violation of that patent. Unless, you have somehow got around the patent issues, (hard to tell from the photo) Kind Regards Bushman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #23 March 24, 2007 bushman, I emailled you details.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
