denete 2 #51 July 28, 2009 WHAT? You didn't ask for a go-around?SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 35 #52 July 30, 2009 Quote But a hands back and to the sides, and a squared shoulders and head high attitude relative to the prop(s), and feet and legs blowing back and up....works best for me.... Thanks for that lesson, Jimmy. It's been a long time since I've done a hop n' pop or exited in a position to where I'm squaring up at the door. It's a good refresher! She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fmmobley 0 #53 July 30, 2009 QuotePopsjumper basically stood in the door and gave us an exit signal, so there was enough exit separation between jumpers. He yelled "GO!" and gestured with his arm. He did a great job, and it helped keep the exit nice and orderly.... Good job Andy !... Marion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 2 #54 July 30, 2009 On hop and pops from twin beeches or cessnas I always did an RW diving to the rear exit. I was never unstable and could pull after a second or two with no problem. It's just like a Superman dive ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #55 July 30, 2009 do you ever find that the P.C. , bridle, or D-Bag tend to bounce around and into your legs or feet, when you pitch so quickly after exit????? ..while using that technique?? just goes to show that there are many ways to do the same thing.. the trick...find something that works, and become comfortable with it NOW.. If you are still jumping a strato Star !!!! OMG !!! a strato star???? as your profile indicates.... I'd be Damn concerned about that 30 feet of 'ropes' coming off your back... UNLESS, or course it's "been modernized" to a slider!!!!!!!!jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #56 July 30, 2009 I used to have a limit of 1800 for this type of situation. After doing several demos and seeing the sub-terminal opening characteristics of my canopy I would go for the main as long as I am above 1400' anything lower and I will go for reserve to avoid putting myself in Cypres range.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #58 July 30, 2009 . Not to mention the very real chance of having 2 out due to an AAD fire (I've heard they arm at 1200', fire around 750??? - not sure if this is true). It's not true.... a Cypres or other AAD does not "arm" at all. It senses pressure to determine speed and altitiude and if that threshhold is crossed it fires. It is not as technical as many believe.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #59 July 30, 2009 no aad for me so no worries about two out. and old school sabres open quick. so anything above 1200 I'm going main. but that's just me ymmv. but I seem to be guessing from this thread that a full load of farm jumpers visited the asc landing area is that correct? howed that go over? i have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #60 July 30, 2009 No, the pilot got us pretty darn close to the Farm. I believe everyone landed on the DZ (or right next to it).I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #61 July 30, 2009 QuoteYou're on an Otter, engine out at 1800 ft, which canopy do YOU go for and why? I suspect that a significant fraction of those who voted for "reserve" would in fact go straight to their main on account of muscle memory taking over in a time of stress.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #62 July 30, 2009 QuoteIt's not true.... a Cypres or other AAD does not "arm" at all. It senses pressure to determine speed and altitiude and if that threshhold is crossed it fires. It is not as technical as many believe. Actually, the Cypres does "arm" on the way up. If you haven't ascended more than 1500' since take-off, the Cyres will not fire even if you otherwise meet the firing parameters. In other words, if you exit the plane at less than 1500' AGL, your Cypres is essentially turned off. On the other hand, you really can't count on it being off either, because it might have "armed" early if it thought it was higher than it was. It's a tricky situation. Read the manual. Everyone. For me, anything below 1500' will be straight to reserve. I do a fair amount of hop and pops and am quite comfortable with how my canopy opens. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thrillstalker 0 #63 July 30, 2009 im a student jumper just off aff. this thread opens up a can of worms for me especially since i jump at the farm. popsjumper will have a bunch of questions from me the next time i get out there. glad everything worked out for everyone involved."Never grow a wishbone, where your backbone ought to be." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerd137 0 #64 July 30, 2009 QuoteIt's not true.... a Cypres or other AAD does not "arm" at all. It senses pressure to determine speed and altitiude and if that threshhold is crossed it fires. It is not as technical as many believe. Different AAD's have different parameters for firing. It's important to know what combination of freefall speed and altitude causes your specific model to fire. Edit: Whoops! I missed DanG's post before I wrote this. Oh well, I guess I'm like Ed McMahon now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #65 July 30, 2009 Quote Quote It's not true.... a Cypres or other AAD does not "arm" at all. It senses pressure to determine speed and altitiude and if that threshhold is crossed it fires. It is not as technical as many believe. Actually, the Cypres does "arm" on the way up. If you haven't ascended more than 1500' since take-off, the Cyres will not fire even if you otherwise meet the firing parameters. In other words, if you exit the plane at less than 1500' AGL, your Cypres is essentially turned off. On the other hand, you really can't count on it being off either, because it might have "armed" early if it thought it was higher than it was. It's a tricky situation. Read the manual. Everyone. For me, anything below 1500' will be straight to reserve. I do a fair amount of hop and pops and am quite comfortable with how my canopy opens. Actually the expert and student arm at 1500 AGL on ascent and a tandem at 3000 AGL. This is true but the misconception that it is "arming", "thinking" or "loading" to fire on descent when approaching its fire altitude is incorrect. This is what I was addressing and it is a common misconception amoung the community. You are right about not counting on those hard numbers. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #66 July 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteIt's not true.... a Cypres or other AAD does not "arm" at all. It senses pressure to determine speed and altitiude and if that threshhold is crossed it fires. It is not as technical as many believe. Different AAD's have different parameters for firing. It's important to know what combination of freefall speed and altitude causes your specific model to fire. True I am only speaking about Cypres units which is the only kind I jump with.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #67 July 30, 2009 Excellent point to consider John. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #68 July 31, 2009 Rain or shine, come on out, Mitch. There's lots to learn on the ground.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauraliscious 0 #69 July 31, 2009 Quote Quote You're on an Otter, engine out at 1800 ft, which canopy do YOU go for and why? I suspect that a significant fraction of those who voted for "reserve" would in fact go straight to their main on account of muscle memory taking over in a time of stress. That's why I exited with my left hand already on my reserve handle, right hand nowhere near my pilot chute. I saw a lot of people in front of me exiting with their hand already on their hackey. Only thing I would have maybe done different?? Disconnected the RSL. I forgot to do that, but I'm really not sure what difference it would have made. Enemiga Rodriguez, PMS #369, OrFun #25, Team Dirty Sanchez #116, Pelt Head #29, Muff #4091 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #70 July 31, 2009 QuoteOnly thing I would have maybe done different?? Disconnected the RSL. I forgot to do that, but I'm really not sure what difference it would have made. Do you mean on the plane, or once under reserve canopy? Other than a quick handle check, I wouldn't recommend clawing at one's gear, on the plane with the door open, under the stress of a mass emergency exit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #71 July 31, 2009 I saw a lot of hands on hackies, too. I exited the same way, with the sort of track up jumprun exit that Jimmy T mentioned. Your hand is already right there with that exit and it allows you to pitch very quickly while stable. I just figured I'd have my hand already on that hackey for good measure If I was exiting reserve I would have had my hand in that handle as I bailed as well. How weird did that feel, stepping out of the plane and pulling silver instead of the usual? I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #72 July 31, 2009 It would have felt like my wallet got $60 lighter.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #73 July 31, 2009 Quote It would have felt like my wallet got $60 lighter. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauraliscious 0 #74 July 31, 2009 Quote If I was exiting reserve I would have had my hand in that handle as I bailed as well. How weird did that feel, stepping out of the plane and pulling silver instead of the usual? Weird, but good, in a way. I was definitely nervous as I went out the door, but then I was relieved when I saw a perfect canopy over my head, and to have my 1st reserve ride over with. The pull was MUCH easier than I thought it would be. My wallet didn't feel lighter at all...I watched my freebag land and my husband is a rigger. As for the RSL, I meant I would have disconnected it in the plane before exit. We had several minutes while we were sitting in the plane waiting for the spot and I was towards the back so I could have done it then. But it probably wouldn't have made any difference anyway, so I guess you're right, why bother messing with it under already stressful circumstances?? That's just the only thing I can think of that I might do differently if I ever find myself in the same situation again. But I might not. Just one more thing to think about. Enemiga Rodriguez, PMS #369, OrFun #25, Team Dirty Sanchez #116, Pelt Head #29, Muff #4091 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #75 July 31, 2009 QuoteIt would have felt like my wallet got $60 lighter. Is it wrong that that actually entered my mind before I made the final decision on which canopy to use on bailout? ....... because it did.I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
