Ronaldo 0 #1 November 28, 2006 A few weeks ago a friend of mine had a terminal reserve deployment. He was jumping a Wings EXT. At first he thought he had recovered everything (main, reserve handle and reserve PC/ freebag). It was only when his rigger started packing that he noticed that the pilot chute cap was missing. Apparently, the snaps that hold the cap in place got open during deployment and the cap released from the pilot chute. He heard that this happened to at least one jumper in another state (but I can’t confirm that). Has anyone experienced this before? I have assembled the cap a few times and found the snaps to be extremely strong. Blue skies, RonaldoEngineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #2 November 28, 2006 1 cutaway on a Wings, and no problem with a lost cap.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #3 November 28, 2006 I've had it happen on a terminal deployment with my Wings as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #4 November 28, 2006 Lost mine, but I also lost the PC, so I have no idea if they ever separated."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #5 November 28, 2006 Hmmmm this is strange. I have never heard of this happening on racers. Maybe yall should buy racers instead of wings... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 November 28, 2006 Quote Hmmmm this is strange. I have never heard of this happening on racers. Maybe yall should buy racers instead of wings. Didn'thave a hard pull on my Wings reserve, but my wife had a big scare a while back with her Racer. It took both hands and some adreniline to get her reserve handle to pull. Metal D-ring handle. Her Wings should be here this week.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #7 November 28, 2006 That's never cool... I had a hard cut away on a jav once. It was spun up (the main) pretty good, and spiralling down rapidly. It took some effort to get the cables pulled, but I got over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 November 28, 2006 QuoteI had a hard cut away on a jav once. It was spun up (the main) pretty good, and spiralling down rapidly. It took some effort to get the cables pulled, but I got over it. That's not due to an overall design of a single system. That's due to a flaw in a general design used by every system that has since been band-aid fixed with hard housings.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #9 November 28, 2006 I would say it was more due to dirty cables than anything else... I hadn't cleaned them in awhile and they were pretty ugly looking upon closer inspection. Let this be a lesson to all of you to keep your cables clean, and to be more thorough on gear maintenance. I'm sorry your wife had a hard pull, and I would not wish that on any one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #10 November 29, 2006 QuoteLost mine, but I also lost the PC, so I have no idea if they ever separated. Now I have to say, this brought a huge amount to the discussion Now separate for KA's comment, I had a spinning mal and the cap was still attached when I finally got it all back.. Took a few days as it was cut over woods.. Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #11 November 29, 2006 If you don't use the loops on the underside of the cap I can see it happening. I've seen people neglect to do it...it'll detach more easily then. They aren't just decoration. I've had 4 chops on my Wings and no problems. (none of them were terminals though, thankfully) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #12 November 29, 2006 QuoteIf you don't use the loops on the underside of the cap I can see it happening. I've seen people neglect to do it...it'll detach more easily then. They aren't just decoration. I've had 4 chops on my Wings and no problems. (none of them were terminals though, thankfully) I'm sure mine was using the loops (I packed it), and still had it come off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #13 November 29, 2006 I've cutaway 3 times this year with my Wings, with one of them being terminal. There hasn't been as much as a snap come undone on mine... -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexey 6 #14 November 29, 2006 My customer lost his PC cup in tumbling reserve deployment. I've used loops, but it some cases - they wont help...Lexa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #15 November 29, 2006 Funky. I remember *trying* to get them to come off when I worked there, lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #16 November 29, 2006 QuoteA few weeks ago a friend of mine had a terminal reserve deployment. He was jumping a Wings EXT. At first he thought he had recovered everything (main, reserve handle and reserve PC/ freebag). It was only when his rigger started packing that he noticed that the pilot chute cap was missing. Apparently, the snaps that hold the cap in place got open during deployment and the cap released from the pilot chute. He heard that this happened to at least one jumper in another state (but I can’t confirm that). Has anyone experienced this before? I have assembled the cap a few times and found the snaps to be extremely strong. Blue skies, Ronaldo It happens from time to time in rare cases. It's the downside of making it easily field replaceable, but as mentioned, it's quite rare for it to happens, and doesn't affect function in any way. A call to the factory will get it replaced FOC for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #17 November 29, 2006 This is not new, using the loops & the snaps to hold the cap on the pilot chute will not eliminate the problem. The snaps open & the tape slide out from the loops & the cap is free to go. What I do for years is: pass the tapes under the loops & close the snaps, hand tack the tape after the snap to the cap inner surface with "Super Tack" & the cap will stay in place. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superhina 0 #18 November 29, 2006 1 terminal = 1 cap less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronaldo 0 #19 November 29, 2006 QuoteWhat I do for years is: pass the tapes under the loops & close the snaps, hand tack the tape after the snap to the cap inner surface with "Super Tack" & the cap will stay in place.Quote That’s a really good idea; I'll do it on mine. Just curious though…why would you want the cap to be so easily removed? Why not use knots like the ones you find on Racer pop tops? The only big advantage I see is when you want to wash the rig (you can quickly remove the cap and wash it without the PC)Engineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ronaldo 0 #20 November 29, 2006 So although it is a rare issue, terminal deployments are more prone to lose it. I'll definitely have mine tacked. Thank you all!Engineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #21 November 30, 2006 QuoteThis is not new, using the loops & the snaps to hold the cap on the pilot chute will not eliminate the problem. The snaps open & the tape slide out from the loops & the cap is free to go. What I do for years is: pass the tapes under the loops & close the snaps, hand tack the tape after the snap to the cap inner surface with "Super Tack" & the cap will stay in place. Safe Rigging !!! _________________________________ After two of my customers brought me their Wings, after reserve deployments and the pilot chute caps were missing, I started tacking the caps, also. I spoke with the manufacturer about this and he thought it was a good idea. To get replacement caps, I called the manufacturer and recieved them free of charge. Charge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RIGGER 0 #22 December 1, 2006 Well done. I spoke with the mfg. (Henri) few years ago about that & he told me also that hand tacking is a good way to keep the caps in place. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #23 December 1, 2006 QuoteWell done. I spoke with the mfg. (Henri) few years ago about that & he told me also that hand tacking is a good way to keep the caps in place. Safe Rigging !!! _______________________________ Another good reason for the Symposiums! That's where I visited with Henri about this subject a few years back. Take care of yourself and keep-up the good work! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Ronaldo 0 #20 November 29, 2006 So although it is a rare issue, terminal deployments are more prone to lose it. I'll definitely have mine tacked. Thank you all!Engineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #21 November 30, 2006 QuoteThis is not new, using the loops & the snaps to hold the cap on the pilot chute will not eliminate the problem. The snaps open & the tape slide out from the loops & the cap is free to go. What I do for years is: pass the tapes under the loops & close the snaps, hand tack the tape after the snap to the cap inner surface with "Super Tack" & the cap will stay in place. Safe Rigging !!! _________________________________ After two of my customers brought me their Wings, after reserve deployments and the pilot chute caps were missing, I started tacking the caps, also. I spoke with the manufacturer about this and he thought it was a good idea. To get replacement caps, I called the manufacturer and recieved them free of charge. Charge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #22 December 1, 2006 Well done. I spoke with the mfg. (Henri) few years ago about that & he told me also that hand tacking is a good way to keep the caps in place. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 December 1, 2006 QuoteWell done. I spoke with the mfg. (Henri) few years ago about that & he told me also that hand tacking is a good way to keep the caps in place. Safe Rigging !!! _______________________________ Another good reason for the Symposiums! That's where I visited with Henri about this subject a few years back. Take care of yourself and keep-up the good work! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
