jerry81 10 #1 November 23, 2006 We just opened someone's reserve for a repack...to find the lines (except lower brakes) stiff and saturated with what looks like dry paint. The locking stows were almost glued together. Considering how hard we had to pull on the freebag to get them out, this would have been a weird deployment at the best, a baglock at the worst. And who knows what the stuff on the lines does to their structural integrity. The reserve had been packed for a year (belongs to a German jumper). The rigger that I was helping thinks the previous owner may have painted the lines to make them look newer (1998 Speed reserve). Has anyone ever encountered anything similar? (The reserve of course wasn't repacked. I'm trying to contact the owner to let him know about it and try to figure out when this f*ckup happened) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #2 November 23, 2006 Quotethe previous owner may have painted the lines to make them look newer OMFG"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
za_skydiver 0 #3 November 23, 2006 Someone should give him his sign back... Here's a explaination of what i mean by sign: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Engvall Some dream of flying, i live the dream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicGuy 0 #4 November 23, 2006 Man, who was the last person to pack the reserve? Might be worth contacting him to find out what kind of condition the thing was in last time it was inspected. Painting the lines white.. that is just unbelievable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #5 November 23, 2006 QuoteMan, who was the last person to pack the reserve? Might be worth contacting him to find out what kind of condition the thing was in last time it was inspected. I definitely want to do that. I have the rigger's DFV (German association) number but his signature is illegible, so it'll be easier to check through the current owner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #6 November 23, 2006 To the person who offered their help via PM- it seems you've blocked incoming messages, so I sent you the number to the email listed in your profile. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gene03 0 #7 November 24, 2006 WTF, been rigging since 1970 and never heard of that one.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darkwing 4 #8 November 24, 2006 Is it possible that this is some coating on the lines that has deteriorated instead? Painting the reserve lines seems almost too bizarre an explanation. Definitely contact the reserve manufacturer also. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerry81 10 #9 November 24, 2006 QuoteIs it possible that this is some coating on the lines that has deteriorated instead? Painting the reserve lines seems almost too bizarre an explanation. Definitely contact the reserve manufacturer also. I'm leaning towards this explanation as well...It has been packed for a year, often stored at temperatures above 30°C. And .I find it hard to believe that the previous rigger would miss such an obvious defect. One thing that stills baffles me, though, is the brakelines...no sign of anything on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratostar 5 #10 November 24, 2006 Same kind of lines as the rest? Can you tell us what the brand of the canopy is?you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerry81 10 #11 November 24, 2006 Same material on lower brakes, possibly thicker lines, but the stuff on the other lines glued the fibers together, so they might appear thinner... Canopy is a 1998 Speed reserve by Paratec, size 220. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 598 #12 November 24, 2006 This reminds me of two service bulletins issued by Strong Enterprises. The first SB was issued in 1979 and covered Strong LoPo (round) reserves with too much latex on the suspension lines. Strong issued instructions on how to wash those lines. The second SB was issued circa 2000 and covered suspension lines on Stellar (square) reserves. I think the affected Stellars had to be returned to the factory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites candace 0 #13 November 27, 2006 holy fucking shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #14 November 28, 2006 ...I don't think I'll ever hear of anything more off-kilter than this.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bliston 0 #15 November 28, 2006 Think about where the lower break lines are in the pack tray, if stacked ontop of the front risers, might be protected from a heat source. In the odd chance that the rig was stored without the main (sometimes in an upright possition (over a hotwater pipe under the floor or something) and sometimes lying flat... i don't know... just pondering posibilities.... BenMass Defiance 4-wayFS website sticks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerry81 10 #16 November 28, 2006 Don't think so...it's the lower brakes from cascades to toggles. I've gotten no reply yet from either the owner or the German rigger who inspected and packed the reserve. I think I'll drop an email to Paratec to see if they treat the lines on these reserves with anything... (BTW- what was the deal with Strong and latex on Stellar reserves? I looked around a bit for the SB but can't find it.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnJ 0 #17 January 3, 2007 Did you get in contact with paratec already? If so what where they saying about it? Just curious. John J. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites N24 0 #18 January 19, 2007 anything new? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites highspeeddirt 0 #19 February 7, 2007 I once had someone bring in a reserve that had a hotknife dropped into it during its last repack.The container was undamaged and sealed when it arrived in the loft.So it had to have been packed with all the damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Gene03 0 #7 November 24, 2006 WTF, been rigging since 1970 and never heard of that one.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #8 November 24, 2006 Is it possible that this is some coating on the lines that has deteriorated instead? Painting the reserve lines seems almost too bizarre an explanation. Definitely contact the reserve manufacturer also. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #9 November 24, 2006 QuoteIs it possible that this is some coating on the lines that has deteriorated instead? Painting the reserve lines seems almost too bizarre an explanation. Definitely contact the reserve manufacturer also. I'm leaning towards this explanation as well...It has been packed for a year, often stored at temperatures above 30°C. And .I find it hard to believe that the previous rigger would miss such an obvious defect. One thing that stills baffles me, though, is the brakelines...no sign of anything on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #10 November 24, 2006 Same kind of lines as the rest? Can you tell us what the brand of the canopy is?you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #11 November 24, 2006 Same material on lower brakes, possibly thicker lines, but the stuff on the other lines glued the fibers together, so they might appear thinner... Canopy is a 1998 Speed reserve by Paratec, size 220. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 598 #12 November 24, 2006 This reminds me of two service bulletins issued by Strong Enterprises. The first SB was issued in 1979 and covered Strong LoPo (round) reserves with too much latex on the suspension lines. Strong issued instructions on how to wash those lines. The second SB was issued circa 2000 and covered suspension lines on Stellar (square) reserves. I think the affected Stellars had to be returned to the factory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
candace 0 #13 November 27, 2006 holy fucking shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #14 November 28, 2006 ...I don't think I'll ever hear of anything more off-kilter than this.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bliston 0 #15 November 28, 2006 Think about where the lower break lines are in the pack tray, if stacked ontop of the front risers, might be protected from a heat source. In the odd chance that the rig was stored without the main (sometimes in an upright possition (over a hotwater pipe under the floor or something) and sometimes lying flat... i don't know... just pondering posibilities.... BenMass Defiance 4-wayFS website sticks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #16 November 28, 2006 Don't think so...it's the lower brakes from cascades to toggles. I've gotten no reply yet from either the owner or the German rigger who inspected and packed the reserve. I think I'll drop an email to Paratec to see if they treat the lines on these reserves with anything... (BTW- what was the deal with Strong and latex on Stellar reserves? I looked around a bit for the SB but can't find it.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnJ 0 #17 January 3, 2007 Did you get in contact with paratec already? If so what where they saying about it? Just curious. John J. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highspeeddirt 0 #19 February 7, 2007 I once had someone bring in a reserve that had a hotknife dropped into it during its last repack.The container was undamaged and sealed when it arrived in the loft.So it had to have been packed with all the damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
