masterrigger1 2 #1 September 19, 2006 I am trying to gather enough input to see if it will be worth putting an advanced rigger training class together soon. Also what topics or subjects people would like to see taught or covered. Feel free to PM me or post your thoughts on this. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #2 September 19, 2006 Any class that teaches rigging at any level would be of benefit to someone. You can't live long enough to learn all this shit on your own. Go for it.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #3 September 19, 2006 I see a lot of people who learn to pack reserves. They tend to be lost beyond that. Whenever they take on a more challenging project the results tend to vary between amusing and terrifying. Sewing, repair, materials, standards of construction, but more then that the reasoning of why and the purpose behind these things. On any subject off the beaten path they are lost in the woods not simply because they do not know the answer but because they cannot extrapolate from a greater fundamental understanding. If you really want to address some of the scariness in the sport… as a dpre could you hold a rigging coarse out side the U.S.? The scariest shit I’ve seen has been from over seas. There are plenty of countries where they jump that there are no riggers, none. I’ll bet they would all get together and fly you down there. I know it’s not the norm but could a foreigner actually be issued a license? Could you get away with calling a U.S. tso’ed rig a “U.S. registered aircraft”? Even if it were informal it would be an improvement over some of the shit I’ve watched them drag in over the years. LeeLee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #4 September 19, 2006 Quote I know it’s not the norm but could a foreigner actually be issued a license? RL, You can issue a license to a non-national. All that is required is that they read and speak English and be 18 years old or older. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CISSCO101 0 #5 September 19, 2006 Please contact me ASAP. Thanks Paul Gundlach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #6 September 19, 2006 Quote yes i would be very intrested in inproving my skills as a senior rigger.I would like to know more about the sylabus,where and when of it. Please contact me ASAP. Cissco, This is exactly what I am asking for; what the student would like for the syllabus to be. For example: Cell Replacement Rib Replacement Proper Relining Techniques with the different materials (HMA- Vectran- Spectra- Dacron) Harness Repair with the different articulated harness/container systems out there. Industrial Sewing Machine Repair. Riser Construction ..and the list goes on! These are a few of the things I have thought of. It also could be the pre-training for a Master's rating if need be. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #7 September 20, 2006 Or continued education for senior/master riggers. Industrial sewing machine maintenance/repair is high on my list since I'm having trouble getting a certain DPRE named MEL to come help me (again) with a couple of trouble machines. Anyway, sign me up...whatever the course material, I'm interested. MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #8 September 20, 2006 Mike, I am there this weekend I will have you know! It's my last weekend at home(Right Coast) for awhile. Anyway......... MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #9 September 20, 2006 QuoteMike, I am there this weekend I will have you know! It's my last weekend at home(Right Coast) for awhile. Anyway......... MEL Yay!!! My Singer 143W2, Consew 195RB and harness machine are all calling your name...loudly. And thanks so much for the repaired needle bar for the Pfaff 3334...it was back in service for a reline that same day. Thanks... MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CISSCO101 0 #10 September 20, 2006 the Items you have mentioned are what I would be Very intrested in how to accomplish plus my special intrest of replaceing panels in round canopys especially Paracommanders as I have one that I would like to repanel it with zero P. Tell me when and where and I will be there. Paul Gundlach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #11 September 20, 2006 Hey Mike, you can just give me the Consew and I'll figure it out somehow. Then you'll have less machines to be confused about. It's a win win... -Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #12 September 20, 2006 I have never seen a sylabus for FAA MAster Rigger training. You might want to start with the FAA's latest rigging Manual, written by Sandy Reid. On that note, Sandy refused to share his syllabus with me. Another alternative would be CSPA's extensive syllabus for Rigger B. CSPA's syllabus includes just about every type of canopy or harness repair you can think of. Because I hold a foreign equivalent (FAA Master Rigger), CSPA's Technical Committee allowed me "direct entry", so I only had to submit the samples on the last page of the syllabus: log book cover, main slider with kill-lines, split main slider, main pilot chute with kill-line bridle, mini 3-Ring risers, gear bag, reserve freebag, main d-bag, a complete harness including 3-Rings, etc. Sewing machine repairs should be part of any advanced rigger training. Aside from a few lectures during PIA Symposia, I have had hardly any formal training in sewing machine repair and really wish that I knewmore. As for panel replacement or rib replacement, I usually mail those back to the factory. Granted, I may have sewn - and jumped - a couple of kit parachutes back in the 1980s, but I don't have the dozens of patterns needed to replace panels in popular sport canopies. More valuable would be lectures on measuring line trim - including methods form at least four different manufacturers and advice on how to install factory-supplied line kits. Also plenty of instruction on how to repair one line at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 6 #13 September 20, 2006 On that note, Sandy refused to share his syllabus with me. He doesn't like you anymore either huh? Welcome to the club. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #14 September 20, 2006 Rob, Where would one look to get a copy of CSPA's syllabus for Rigger B?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #15 September 20, 2006 oh yeah! Count me in! I haven't even began to scratch the surface of knowledge. In the mean time - I need to get a copy of the Master Catalog and I have no idea who to contact. Anyone got an idea?Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #16 September 20, 2006 QuoteRob, Where would one look to get a copy of CSPA's syllabus for Rigger B? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could ask me to look on the dusty back shelf of my loft, or you could bug CSPA's Technical Committee to mail you a copy. As far as I know, CSPA's Rigger B SOLO Program is not available in an electronic format. CSPA Rigger Bs have the same knowledge, responsibilities and privileges as FAA Master Riggers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #17 September 20, 2006 Rob, Here's what it is looking like: We will break it down into different modules. 1. Industrial Sewing Machine Repair 2. Major Canopy Repair- consisting of Cell replacement, rib replacement and how to hand cut replacement panels. 3.Line Replacement-proper construction,bartacking with manual and computerized bartackers,and line installation. The methods differ with the different line materials out so that will have to be covered also. 4. Harness Construction and Repair 5. Container Repair- Probably the easiest area to cover. Just wondering if everyone would want to do it in one trip or break it down just to each module???? Email or post yours thoughts on this matter please. Thanks, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #18 September 20, 2006 Hi Mark, QuoteJust wondering if everyone would want to do it in one trip or break it down just to each module???? Could you give a breakdown of an estimate on time req'd to complete each module? That would effect any response from me. Some things I am interested in and some I could not care less about. Thanks, Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfuller 0 #19 September 20, 2006 i'm interested. thanks mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 0 #20 September 20, 2006 Sounds great, sign me up !!!! 3 more weekends on the right coast for me... then to the left coast for 5 days, then to the island for 4 weeks, then to home for turkey dinner, then to trestles area through x-mas. I can assist you in Dec between sessions. Later, back to the rigging floor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #21 September 21, 2006 I can foresee two possible schedules for advanced rigger training. You could either study for a week at a time, or you could run a month-long course. A month-long course would better suit military riggers or civilians who have to travel long distances. Another possibility would be to introduce your school at the PIA Symposium by offering a sample lecture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #22 September 21, 2006 QuoteI can foresee two possible schedules for advanced rigger training. You could either study for a week at a time, or you could run a month-long course. A month-long course would better suit military riggers or civilians who have to travel long distances. Another possibility would be to introduce your school at the PIA Symposium by offering a sample lecture. Not really Rob... those of us that have a "day job" could swing a week off of work... maybe two, but I doubt many employers would let us take a month off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #23 September 21, 2006 MR1... sounds interesting. If you did it, where and when do you think it would be and what would it cover. Depending on the topics covered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #24 September 21, 2006 ZZM, We would do it here either in this shop or the other one. *Looking at maybe 10 people Max I am thinking of doing the modules each on a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday if needed. That could change depending on who wants what. That way the people that want to learn a particular subject can just come for that module. i.e. sewing machine repair. On Friday do a briefing and demo. Give each person a machine to reassemble, time, and adjust. They would each need to go through a Single needle,Zig-Zag, Bartack machine, walking foot,and Harness machine. And no.... they would not be using my production machines. I have plenty in reserve for mockups. and parts.....! I am sure someone will crunch something somewhwere, but that's the point! BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #25 September 21, 2006 QuoteZZM, We would do it here ... BS, MEL ... ummmm... where's "here"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites