simplyputsi 0 #76 July 12, 2007 Quote (what part is repressed?!) the part where he was obviously beaten repeatedly and shut up in a room for most of his childhood. Would explain a lot. I kid I kid walt.Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #77 July 12, 2007 Ohhhh. So *that's* why he cringes in bright light.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #78 July 12, 2007 Quote Walt if the story is true, it was a toddler saying 'Bye bye, plane' repeatedly after an 11 hour delay. You think that's unreasonable and bad parenting? And anyone with a toddler knows that being stuck in airport for 11 hours with said toddler is just mindnumbingly stressful. I'd want to collapse on my seat and let my baby wave bye bye to planes all he wanted, too. At least he wasn't trying to run up and down the aisles as mine would've done! Anyway - getting kicked off the plane? After waiting 11 hours to get on it? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #79 July 12, 2007 QuoteChange the course of the behavior, yes. I would be a lot more receptive to listening to a little one laugh about a toy or a game than I would be to hearing the same phrase repeated over and over. Sometimes it's not about hearing the child at all; it's about what you're hearing. Again, the baby is a year and a half. Despite the bag of tricks I have you can't always get a baby to be quiet. We rarely take our son out to restaurants to because he is in that stage. I am the first person to get up and leave a restaurant if my son so much as makes a noise above crowd level. However, an airplane is different and people have to travel and a mother can do everything possible and the baby still not be quiet. It's not bad parenting, it's just life. I wouldn't be opposed to flights for parents and kids only or child free flights. Unfortunately, that isn't an option right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #80 July 12, 2007 Quote I didn't realize that a talking baby was unfit for public environment where other adults are talking as well. I know that I have been frustrated by more adults in public places than I have children. Do you let kids trick or treat at your house ? The scenario was a commercial airline flight where a kid would shutup during the safety briefing. Talking during the briefing is not acceptable for adults either. Period. But since we're on the subject of frustration, I've never had any kids yet I've had to pay plenty in school taxes (via rent) and what do I get out of the deal? 20 mph school zone speed limits during peak traffic times and having to stop traffic *both* ways while a school bus is unloading. Not to mention the portion of my taxes that go to welfare mamas who have made a career out of having babies they cannot afford and who will likely end up as violent criminals. I don't think it's fair that I be subjected to fucked up behavior by kids in an environment where I am a paying customer. I don't subject others to that kind of crap so why should I expect any less from others? Do I let kids trick or treat at my house? Nope. I'm already paying for their schooling. Raccoons, squirrels, birds and other critters are always welcome. Kids expecting another handout? No. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #81 July 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo if I'm in a restaurant and someone has their kid with them and the kid shits in his diapers, making the whole restaurant smell like a sewer, then it's ok because the kid was doing something normal for his development stage? The parent should change the diaper. You can't "shut a baby up." Unless of course you want to be abusive and just knock the kid out or duct tape his mouth shut. The problem is not so much the kid, but the *parent* who clearly doesn't respect others' space. Prevention of the situation is the way to handle it. A parent with a kid who is not a fit for a public environment should not subject other people to the kid. Walt I wasn't going to go there...but I can't imagine anyone with anything out of the ordinary would be allowed in Walt's world, either. Walt you are sounding positively primeval, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you were one of those people saying that I should have institutionalized my sons because their odd behavior is *annoying*. I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to lock up the intolerant fucks in this world. I think there are less of them than there are the rest of us.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #82 July 12, 2007 Quote But since we're on the subject of frustration, I've never had any kids yet I've had to pay plenty in school taxes (via rent) and what do I get out of the deal? 20 mph school zone speed limits during peak traffic times and having to stop traffic *both* ways while a school bus is unloading. And I have to pay taxes for a war I don't believe in. At least paying for our children's education benefits our country. Hello Speakers Corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #83 July 12, 2007 QuoteLesson #1 in namecalling I guess I missed the day this was covered on the junior high school playground... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #84 July 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat exactly should a parent of a kid that is throwing a tantrum or screaming do on a plane???? In my opinion they should get off the flight or be prepared to compensate the people who are subjected to their kid's behavior. Walt I hear a bunch of whiny bratty adults who maybe should stay home until they GROW UP and understand that there are all kinds of people (yes, that includes kids) in the world. It's so fucking easy to point the finger at other parents. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #85 July 12, 2007 Quote If thats the case, the mother should've known not everyone wants to hear some kid say 'bye bye plane' over and over. She should've known to tell him to be quiet LOL... seriously, take an 18 month old and tell him to be quiet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #86 July 12, 2007 I think you missed some of my comments. I wasn't advocating total silence. I agree that at that age, there is a certain amount that you have to accept--and I usually do, without it occurring to me to be irritated. I was saying that it's the repetition and the monotony that would get to me, and THAT'S why I keep saying that distraction is good. I'm sure that this mother had a bag of toys, treats and other goodies designed to get them through the trip, and it sounds like that might have been the time to pull those things out. But just so I don't keep repeating *myself,* I'm going to let it drop with that. TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #87 July 12, 2007 QuoteLOL... seriously, take an 18 month old and tell him to be quiet. I'd just use some duct tape on the mouth. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAC 0 #88 July 12, 2007 QuoteQuote If thats the case, the mother should've known not everyone wants to hear some kid say 'bye bye plane' over and over. She should've known to tell him to be quiet LOL... seriously, take an 18 month old and tell him to be quiet. I've had numerous car rides with my niece and her mom when she was younger, and it's not always as simple as some put it. I can recollect a couple of times off hand when I had the longest 20-minute car ride of my life because the interventions both my sister and I were trying to implement were not successful. There is a point sometimes when nothing works. It doesn't matter what your skills are, whether you are a good parent or not, whether they are a good kid or not, sometimes getting a toddler to do what you expect them too just doesn't work. Fortunate for others in my case, it was just me and my sister that ended up frustrated from the situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #89 July 12, 2007 Quote Quote Lesson #1 in namecalling I guess I missed the day this was covered on the junior high school playground... It's been a long while since I posted a thread that really stirred the shit on here. I wasn't trying to be biased as far as insult-laden tirades to either sex. I could just as easily called a male F/A a cock-sucking butt-licking 2-inch dick fucking son of a bitch... Walt, I know we have differing opinions, but I would still have a beer with you."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #90 July 12, 2007 QuoteI wasn't going to go there...but I can't imagine anyone with anything out of the ordinary would be allowed in Walt's world, either. Walt you are sounding positively primeval, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you were one of those people saying that I should have institutionalized my sons because their odd behavior is *annoying*. I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to lock up the intolerant fucks in this world. I think there are less of them than there are the rest of us. As a nurse, I spent years working with society's rejects: the mentally retarded and the mentally ill. When you use the word "institutionalized" it has a great deal more meaning to me than it does to most people because I have *worked* in institutions. While others will put a great deal of effort into ignoring the mentally retarded, there is actually a place for them in my world, and that place is not necessarily an institution. My attitude is not so kind toward the chronically mentally ill with a tendency toward violent behavior. If you think that I only accept the "normal", go back and read some of the stories I've posted. As for "special needs" kids, it's a tragic situation. In this society we in effect penalize "normal" kids by rerouting funds that could be used to help improve the education of kids who have a decent chance of making something of themselves. Is that the right thing to do? That is a *very* difficult question but I think often times money spent by school districts on outside psychologists and other specialists is probably wasted. Is that always the case? I doubt it. Let's get back to the topic at hand, though. In a public place--particularly confined environments--I think it's important for people to be respectful of others around them and some parents obviously aren't. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #91 July 12, 2007 "When ya need 'em still. Try Benedryl" or my favorite "Don't slap 'em, Dim-a-tap 'em"I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #92 July 12, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Lesson #1 in namecalling I guess I missed the day this was covered on the junior high school playground... It's been a long while since I posted a thread that really stirred the shit on here. I wasn't trying to be biased as far as insult-laden tirades to either sex. I could just as easily called a male F/A a cock-sucking butt-licking 2-inch dick fucking son of a bitch... Walt, I know we have differing opinions, but I would still have a beer with you. You are a name-calling god!!!! I'll buy the beer!!!!Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #93 July 12, 2007 Quote"When ya need 'em still. Try Benedryl" or my favorite "Don't slap 'em, Dim-a-tap 'em" I think someone said children's benadryl doesn't calm them down, just does the opposite. I dunno... is that true?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #94 July 12, 2007 Quote Quote am I the only one that caught the "multiple witnesses" part of the article? "He wasn't any louder than the adult passengers on the plane," said passenger Stacey Watts. Watts sat just a few rows back from the Georgia mother and heard the entire conversation. "Katie was in shock at that point," Watts explained. "You could tell. She was in row 3 and I was in row 6. She just kept saying, 'I don't know what you expect me to do. I don't know what you expect me to do.'" Suddenly eyewitnesses say the flight attendant announced they were returning to the gate and Penland would be removed from the plane. No, you're not the only one. I read it too but some are choosing to ignore that part of the story and assume the mother was just a bad parent because her baby was talking. Just a point of clarification, I specifically qualified my discussion of poor parental control as not appearing relevant to this incident. That said, when talking about tantrums, I think several people here are dodging responsibility. Now I've only had one child, but teaching her that screaming was not an effective method for communicating was pretty easy. It started when we instituted a bedtime when she was about 12 weeks old. The first night she screamed for 45 minutes till she was worn out. The second night she didn't quite make half an hour. The third she lasted 10 minutes, and the fourth & fifth less than a minute. After that she never threw a tantrum, and the last time I remember her screaming for even a short period of time was a few months past her first birthday. She first flew by herself at age 5, without any problems (according to the stewardesses). Perhaps I just got lucky and if I ever have another kid I'll realize that they don't all learn so easily. But in my experience so far, the way to cure tantrums is simply being patient and more stubborn than them. On the other side of that coin, parents who even *occasionally* cave to such demonstrations have taught their children that being annoying will eventually get them what they want. While they certainly deserve the results of giving such a lesson, the people around them shouldn't have to put up with the fruit of their labors (or lack thereof). For what it's worth, I treat other people's kids with the same basic approach. Those who come up and interrupt a conversation at the DZ will be ignored once or twice, then told they are interrupting and will have to wait. If they try to interrupt after that, I'll ignore them until I've finished my conversation and then walk away without acknowledging them. Maybe I'm just being an asshole, but I think kids should be taught proper methods of communication early and often, and I don't yield to impoliteness, be it screaming, interruptions, or demands. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #95 July 12, 2007 Quote I think someone said children's benadryl doesn't calm them down, just does the opposite. I dunno... is that true? As far as I know, it's like any other medication--it has different effects on different people. Benadryl has always made me sleepy, but I've also taken medications with warnings about making you drowsy that have had me awake all night. Just depends on the person and their own system, I suppose.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #96 July 12, 2007 QuoteI think someone said children's benadryl doesn't calm them down, just does the opposite. I dunno... is that true? It depends how much scotch is mixed in it. {edited to add} Cheap scotch. Children can't really appreciate good scotch until they're 9 or 10I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #97 July 12, 2007 Quote Quote I think someone said children's benadryl doesn't calm them down, just does the opposite. I dunno... is that true? It depends how much scotch is mixed in it. You are one sick bastard! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #98 July 12, 2007 go back and read againI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #99 July 12, 2007 Quote You are one sick bastard! I think thats why i love him so much. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #100 July 12, 2007 Quote go back and read again Is that what they do in the mountain communities of South Carolina? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
