New Age/Witchcraft symbols....help!

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For the guy who seems pretty determined to come across as the open minded man of the people in this thread, you don't seem to be a very big proponent of tenants' rights.

Never said I was a lawyer nor did I say he could do whatever he wants!

I was simply stating my opinion that I feel it's still technically his house. Certainly she doesn't "own" it, or she wouldn't be paying him rent

I would think that if he wants to put his and his girlfriend's cartouche on it, ain't nobody's business if he does.

And if he wants put up pornographic murals on the walls, is that okay too? And if he wants to knock down all of the non-load-bearing interior walls and make a big, open, communal living space, is that okay too?

Fortunately for Tetra316, you're not an Oregon state judge, so what you feel is irrelevant. What IS relevant is the state's rental/property management code, which exists to prevent and/or provide solutions to such problems.

Hehe . . . who lit a fire under you tonight?

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For the guy who seems pretty determined to come across as the open minded man of the people in this thread, you don't seem to be a very big proponent of tenants' rights.

Never said I was a lawyer nor did I say he could do whatever he wants!

I was simply stating my opinion that I feel it's still technically his house. Certainly she doesn't "own" it, or she wouldn't be paying him rent

I would think that if he wants to put his and his girlfriend's cartouche on it, ain't nobody's business if he does.

And if he wants put up pornographic murals on the walls, is that okay too? And if he wants to knock down all of the non-load-bearing interior walls and make a big, open, communal living space, is that okay too?

Fortunately for Tetra316, you're not an Oregon state judge, so what you feel is irrelevant. What IS relevant is the state's rental/property management code, which exists to prevent and/or provide solutions to such problems.

Hehe . . . who lit a fire under you tonight?

As a real estate agent and a guy who's had both good and bad experiences being the leasee of houses (having a good experience with my current residence; had some bad experiences with my previous residence), I've seen what happens when a leasor doesn't respect the leasee's leasehold estate, and I understand that there is a valid reason that states have laws protecting tenants' rights. If those symbols make Tetra316 and/or her roommates uncomfortable, regardless of whether that discomfort is merited, their rights as tenants are being infringed upon.

If you grant the landlord artistic freedom in any property he owns, where do you draw the line? Would you support his artistic freedom if he allowed his friend to enter a Muslim home, for which he were the leasor, and paint Christian symbols on the wall? Would that simply be the price that Muslim family had to pay for living in a rented house? These legal protections exist for a reason.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

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If you grant the landlord artistic freedom in any property he owns, where do you draw the line? Would you support his artistic freedom if he allowed his friend to enter a Muslim home, for which he were the leasor, and paint Christian symbols on the wall? Would that simply be the price that Muslim family had to pay for living in a rented house? These legal protections exist for a reason.

Religious descrimination is protected.
I'm not so certain about the right to remain "comfortable" with everything that everyone does.

Right now your words are making me uncomfortable, do I have the right to freak out about it? Well, yeah, I guess so, but you still have the right to express yourself.

As for your specious argument about putting up pornography or knocking out walls . . . since that's not what he did . . . it's kinda, ya know, specious.

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If you grant the landlord artistic freedom in any property he owns, where do you draw the line? Would you support his artistic freedom if he allowed his friend to enter a Muslim home, for which he were the leasor, and paint Christian symbols on the wall? Would that simply be the price that Muslim family had to pay for living in a rented house? These legal protections exist for a reason.

Religious descrimination is protected.
I'm not so certain about the right to remain "comfortable" with everything that everyone does.

There is a right to remain comfortable in your rented space that is written into the law. It's called 'quiet enjoyment'. Freedom from the interest of another in your space. Look it up.

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It's called 'quiet enjoyment'.

You would have quietly enjoyed the space and never even known anything was different had you not been snooping on him and his girlfriend.

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If you rented out a place you owned to someone would you still feel you had the right to decorate it?

I can't say for certain, but probably I would feel like if I wanted to place my signature or some piece of art on some normally unseen part of the house . . . yeah . . . I could probably do that.

It's just ink in a normally unseen spot. I don't think it's anything worth losing sleep over.

So Quade you wouldn't mind if I hid my religious symbols behind your artwork in your home if you rented and I was the owner?

It's just for your protection...but I'm not telling you that it's there or what it means.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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So Quade you wouldn't mind if I hid my religious symbols behind your artwork in your home if you rented and I was the owner?

It's just for your protection...but I'm not telling you that it's there or what it means.

Actually I wouldn't give a shit because I'm immune from religious boogymen.

However, let me restate this for maybe the third or fourth time . . .they AREN'T religious symbols . . . simply words written in an "interesting" way.

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I was simply stating my opinion

There is that old saying: "opinions are like assholes..."

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I was simply stating my opinion

There is that old saying:"opinions are like assholes"..."

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Yep . . . everybody . . . including the people that feel it's required to quote that every time somebody uses the word.

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It's called 'quiet enjoyment'.

You would have quietly enjoyed the space and never even known anything was different had you not been snooping on him and his girlfriend.

Of course we were snooping on strange people who were messing around with our home!

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Religious descrimination is protected.
I'm not so certain about the right to remain "comfortable" with everything that everyone does.

Right now your words are making me uncomfortable, do I have the right to freak out about it? Well, yeah, I guess so, but you still have the right to express yourself.

As for your specious argument about putting up pornography or knocking out walls . . . since that's not what he did . . . it's kinda, ya know, specious.

Douva's fired-up tushy aside (angry Douva is so cute! ), you're going way over the top with this. A property owner doesn't have the right to alter your living area without your knowledge or permission. -Didn't you ever rent? You have to sign an agreement to allow a landlord to even enter if you're not home for a rental property to fix your bathroom shower, for the love of Pete! -Sneaking in and painting shit on your walls behind your pictures? You can't seriously think that's ok...

~Jaye
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Of course we were snooping on strange people who were messing around with our home!

Lemme ask you this then, if they're SOoooo strange, why did you consent to let them stay with you?

If, on the other hand, you actually trust them, then why were you snooping?

Bah, this is all just a little too melodramatic.

Are you certain you're not just trolling here?

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Are you certain you're not just trolling here?

I was thinking the same things about your posts, Quade.

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Are you certain you're not just trolling here?

I was thinking the same things about your posts, Quade.

I want you to revisit the photos in question . . . look carefully at the edges of the photos in particular, the left edge of the first one.

Does that look to you like it's on a wall or rather that it's on a piece of cardboard laid on a table or something else with a cardboard or plastic tube of some type behind it? Now look at the top of each photo . . . does that look like a wall to you?

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Of course we were snooping on strange people who were messing around with our home!

Lemme ask you this then, if they're SOoooo strange, why did you consent to let them stay with you?

If, on the other hand, you actually trust them, then why were you snooping?

Bah, this is all just a little too melodramatic.

Are you certain you're not just trolling here?

As I stated in the beginning it's a LONG story. We do not want him to stay here and have repeatedly told him so. We even went to legal aid to get advice. However, since we individually rent rooms there is no legal way we can keep him out of here if there is a room vacant which is the situation. He is in essence renting the room to himself. Now if all the rooms were filled he wouldn't be able to just come in and sleep on the couch.

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It's called 'quiet enjoyment'.

You would have quietly enjoyed the space and never even known anything was different had you not been snooping on him and his girlfriend.

Of course we were snooping on strange people who were messing around with our home!

What if the landlord and his weirdo girlfriend were trying to install a hidden camera to spy on their tenant's late night, kinky-skydiver-sexcapades??? Glad you checked, huh?

I've actually lived in a house with my parents where the landlord lived in the downstairs portion of the house (and was supposed to move out, but never did and infact had four other people move in with her down there later) and that was a situation from hell. She would come upstairs and do strange things, and I suspected she went through our things when we weren't there. Psycho woman really! It ended badly of course, but we came out okay.

Aside from that, upon first reading your topic I thought of the Kate Hudson movie "Skeleton Key" where people are painting symbols and crap underneath beds to cast spells on them! Be careful there! Just kidding.

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Are you certain you're not just trolling here?

I was thinking the same things about your posts, Quade.

I want you to revisit the photos in question . . . look carefully at the edges of the photos in particular, the left edge of the first one.

Does that look to you like it's on a wall or rather that it's on a piece of cardboard laid on a table or something else with a cardboard or plastic tube of some type behind it? Now look at the top of each photo . . . does that look like a wall to you?

Of course its not on the wall. We took them down. I took the picture with them sitting on my desk.

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I want you to revisit the photos in question . . . look carefully at the edges of the photos in particular, the left edge of the first one.

Does that look to you like it's on a wall or rather that it's on a piece of cardboard laid on a table or something else with a cardboard tube of some type behind it? Now look at the top of each photo . . . does that look like a wall to you?

It looks like wall moulding to me...

And BTW, I figured out what they are. They look like crop circles. Yes, crop circles drawn on the wall.

Quade they could be pictures of Rainbow Bright, but I think our point on here is that a landlord cannot alter a living space that a renter is PAYING for.

Now if you're debating the OP's legitimacy, I just don't see a smoking gun personally.

~Jaye
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After they left we found these drawings hidden behind two pictures on the wall.

Does that mean the back of the picture or on the wall itself?

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His friend had been sneaking around hiding them before they left.

In the room he was "renting to himself" or the room you rent?

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Of course its not on the wall. We took them down. I took the picture with them sitting on my desk.

So the markings AREN'T on the wall, but on the furnishings?

Are they HIS furnishings or yours?

What are the pictures of? Is it possible his hippie girlfriend took or painted the pictures?

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After they left we found these drawings hidden behind two pictures on the wall.

Does that mean the back of the picture or on the wall itself?

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His friend had been sneaking around hiding them before they left.

In the room he was "renting to himself" or the room you rent?

One drawing was taped to the wall behind a picture. The second one was just stuck behind another picture.

She was snooping around the living room, the common areas we all rent, while he was in the garage. I don't know about you but I don't go to other people's houses and start looking through things and behind pictures.

Unless of course I'm trying to find the missing bottle of rum

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Of course its not on the wall. We took them down. I took the picture with them sitting on my desk.

So the markings AREN'T on the wall, but on the furnishings?

Are they HIS furnishings or yours?

What are the pictures of? Is it possible his hippie girlfriend took or painted the pictures?

The markings are on pieces of paper that were put behind the pictures. All the furniture in the living room is his that he left there when he moved to Hawaii.

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One drawing was taped to the wall behind a picture. The second one was just stuck behind another picture.

She was snooping around the living room, the common areas we all rent, while he was in the garage. I don't know about you but I don't go to other people's houses and start looking through things and behind pictures.

NOW we're getting somewhere . . . no DEFACEMENT actually took place. No ink was actually left on any walls or furnishings.

Lemme ask you this, have you ever left a hidden love note to anyone?

Consider this, is it possible, just possible, that she, in her strange hippie ways, wrote a little love note for him to find? That the sneeking around was so that nobody would discover them and ruin the surprise?

I had a friend that used to leave me little hidden notes . . .you could only see them after the shower mirror fogged up. The note was even in a sort of code that I'm nearly certain would have been mistaken for gibberish, possibly even sinister, by anyone not in on the gag.

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I had a friend that used to leave me little hidden notes . . .you could only see them after the shower mirror fogged up. The note was even in a sort of code that I'm nearly certain would have been mistaken for gibberish, possibly even sinister, by anyone not in on the gag.

QUADE! You're dating her landlord's hippie girlfriend?!

Now that's just wrong, sir!

~Jaye
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One drawing was taped to the wall behind a picture. The second one was just stuck behind another picture.

She was snooping around the living room, the common areas we all rent, while he was in the garage. I don't know about you but I don't go to other people's houses and start looking through things and behind pictures.

Consider this, is it possible, just possible, that she, in her strange hippie ways, wrote a little love note for him to find? That the sneeking arounnd was so that nobody would discover them and ruin the surprise?

Nope. We think he knows about them. My other roommate overheard him ask her if she had done it right after she was snooping around. She was drawing them while we were talking to him and trying very hard to hide what she was writing from us as she was doing it. The whole thing was pretty obvious.