psipike02 0 #51 October 19, 2007 QuoteAnybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me? I was wondering what everyone else was doing/thinking...Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #52 October 19, 2007 Quote Anybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me? I went through two! I was hungry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #53 October 19, 2007 I'm right there with you. If you can't get along, get it on.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tharv17 0 #54 October 19, 2007 I want to photoshop out the F/A-18 and switch it with an AN-2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #55 October 19, 2007 yeah really...wheres BillVon when u need him?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #56 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteWAY COOL!!! I wonder what kind of concussion the nearby boats and peeps recd?? I heard ordinary people (for a price) could go for rides in Flordia??? I wonder if this sorta ride is possible... I've done a back seat ride in an F16... and I'm ordinary!! I've been catapulted off the Carl Vinson and the Eisenhower, and I'm ordinary too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #57 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me? I was wondering what everyone else was doing/thinking... Well... I am a pilot, and I have broken the sound barrier many many times. Please see the attached photo, which WAS NOT PHOTOSHOPED explaining what you two inferior minded people are trying to discuss. Water vapor can accumulate at that low altitude, near the speed of sound. Any questions, I'd be happy to answer.... ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #58 October 19, 2007 Oh Jesus. *gasps for air* rofl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #59 October 19, 2007 thought you may like that... go get em chelle... ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tharv17 0 #60 October 19, 2007 Thank you for that, was hoping someone would come through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #61 October 19, 2007 QuoteWAY COOL!!! I wonder what kind of concussion the nearby boats and peeps recd?? The boats and people aren't as close as they appear (after the Blue Angels crash, the FAA got even more strict about this) that's just a side effect of shooting the photo with a long telephoto lens. As the distance to the camera increase differences in the distance between objects have less effect on the field of vision they subtend so you get a depth compression effect where everything in the picture looks like its close together. Skydiving shot from high up with a gyroscopically stabilized mount makes it look like people are going in. Quote I heard ordinary people (for a price) could go for rides in Flordia??? I wonder if this sorta ride is possible... The government has claimed the F18 costs $4500/hour to operate. Even if possible you'd be better off sharing costs on one of the Communist-block single engined trainers like a TS-11 or L39. I've heard $800/hour in total costs for an L39 (you are burning 130 gallons of Jet-A in that time at $4 per) although they're classified as experimental and can't be flown for hire in the states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #62 October 19, 2007 Wow this picture has been retouched more times than the kid on the WTC twin towers. I found a site with the original picture which has been veririfed as authentic. Quote This is the first picture captured of a new high speed aircraft that defies all traditional notions from aerodynamics, to propulsion, to seating, to flying. It is capable of carrying two people, but as shown in the picture, can be flown by remote control or completed automate using a revolutionary new GPS system. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #63 October 19, 2007 Here's what the author of the blog said: "Hi James! The photo comes from the UK article linked to in the post. My understanding is that they really did the low-water fly-by, and that the pic is real (albeit a long lens might have exaggerated the appearance). But of course, it is the Internet, so anything is possible! ;) At least I know the other four are real! Ken Denmead Editor, Geekdad.com" The Daily Mail is the source of the original article, and FWIW it looks like a really high-end newspaper: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=488504&in_page_id=1773&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #64 October 19, 2007 I think this is pretty conclusive: http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A&u_id=&them=1 Someone more geeky than me can make it a link. Even if you have to copy and paste, it is worth the effort." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #65 October 19, 2007 I don't think many people doubted the legitamacy of the photo. Of the two posted yours looks like it COULD have been but I have seen lots of those pictures etc. Conundrum's looked real to me. I was just enjoying the discussion 'twixt a space engineer and his ego. BTW- PSIPIKE YOU did say that you can't comment than you jusmped on her ass for quoting you. Sometimes it's easier to step away and breathe. Maybe you know andi (bikerbabe) but it's curious that her opinion is what made you chill. than, again maybe because she's an officer in the AF. Still...the photo was real.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #66 October 19, 2007 QuoteI think this is pretty conclusive: http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A&u_id=&them=1 Someone more geeky than me can make it a link. Even if you have to copy and paste, it is worth the effort.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #67 October 19, 2007 Quote I'm welcome to my own fucking opinion....if its not photoshopped then I'll apologize, but I'm still welcome to believe what I want... Not to instigate but you said it. I have totally been in the wrong before when I was defending something I believe to be right/true. when I was proven wrong I kinda take a step back and say "oh shit, I'm sorry."My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #68 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me? I was wondering what everyone else was doing/thinking... Well... I am a pilot, and I have broken the sound barrier many many times. Please see the attached photo, which WAS NOT PHOTOSHOPED explaining what you two inferior minded people are trying to discuss. Water vapor can accumulate at that low altitude, near the speed of sound. Any questions, I'd be happy to answer.... Now that one is real. You can tell because the plane looks a little shorter than normal due to Fitzgerald-Lorentz Contraction resulting from such an amazing speed. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #69 October 19, 2007 The way i read spikes initial problem was that there should be a disturbance in the water below the plane when it is flying that low. He was not doubting the wator vapor being real, or that what is happening in the picture could not take place, water vapor wise. He was looking for proof that the plane actually was in the bay when that happened. I still don't get how the plane is in focus but nothing else, but I still don't really know how a friggen digital camera works. Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #70 October 19, 2007 Probably because the photog was tracking the plane from left to right. when s/he snapped the pic the only thing in focus was the plane because the camera was moving giving the impression that everything else is out of focus. What ever the hissy fit was all about HE was the one who said he'd apologize. He jumped all over Chelle because she said its real. it IS.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #71 October 19, 2007 QuoteThe way i read spikes initial problem was that there should be a disturbance in the water below the plane when it is flying that low. He was not doubting the wator vapor being real, or that what is happening in the picture could not take place, water vapor wise. He made it clear that he thinks there should be water disturbance under the plane, and that what he said was correct, however, the numerous photos and the video say otherwise. Decide for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #72 October 19, 2007 Psipike02 is a good guy and has quite a bit of knowledge in this area, all debates and disagreements aside. Before anyone jumps on him for his silence here, I just wanted to let you know that he got called away and isn't by a computer (or, at least, wasn't as of about an hour ago).TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #73 October 19, 2007 Quote Probably because the photog was tracking the plane from left to right. when s/he snapped the pic the only thing in focus was the plane because the camera was moving giving the impression that everything else is out of focus. What ever the hissy fit was all about HE was the one who said he'd apologize. He jumped all over Chelle because she said its real. it IS. I don't know what the hissy is all about. I don't really care. It's just that I kept reading and seeing pictures posted saying it can happen. I didn't think he was saying it couldn't happen. I did think that it was possible for the camera to follow the plane and snap and that could possibly cause the out of focus in the background. I'm just no that good of a picture taker, yetSkymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #74 October 19, 2007 I don't doubt that I have seen a few posts of his and he usually doesn't come across like that but he is wrong and IMO if he's that good a person he'll own up to it. I know he's an engineer etc. I've seen the satelite link that he posted and was amazed...but even the smartest people can be wrong. I don't deserve an apology, Chelle does. I have no idea what could have gone on in PM's but in public he came across as someone who was pissed that his opinion could be questioned. Chelle was only arguing what she knew just because she isn't a rocket scientist (AFAIK) doesn't mean she didn't see this enough to know about it.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #75 October 19, 2007 Cool video. QuoteIsn't that just an extreme version of the little swirly goodies we sometimes see coming off the wingtips of something even as small as a 182? Yep. If you take a volume of air a X pressure with the right amount of water vapor in it and rapidly reduce the pressure, the water vapor will turn back into liquid forming a fine mist. The pressure change can come from tip vortices but is really easy to see on an airliner with flaps down. The cloud will form right behind the flaps. As soon as the air returns to ambient pressure the water disappears into vapor again. The cone shape of the cloud that develops around a high speed but subsonic plane is (AFAIK) due to the fact that the plane is just starting to go fast enough for some compression of the air flowing over it to take place. It is either a wimpy or an incipient shock wave developing, but there isn't enough compression for a sonic boom. So instead of just having clouds form on certain places like the flaps, the cross section of the airplane is disturbing the pressure sufficiently. The front surface of the cone is the area where the pressure drop is big and fast enough to dump the water vapor out of the air. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
