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Skyride will eventually get nailed. Until then the rest of us need to keep supporting the DZ's that don't accept their tickets.



Or boogie that support planes affiliated with skyride.
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do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM?

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Do you really believe that?

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Yes, I know to be a fact.

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Only in your fun jumper mind, yes they set the vibe for the nite life and fun on loads or a rainy day, but your just a pain in the ass to the DZO's pocket book and you guys make a mess they have to clean up and bitch about what you don't have provided to you and the only reason the DZO's put up with your bullshit is because.....

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Once in a blue moon and you talk up all over town, wear their T-shirts and sport a bumper sticker on your car. (free marketing) AND they might make a few bucks from you buying gear from them.

I'm no DZO, but I seriously think that keeping the up jumpers happy is a very integral part of the business. ***

Make the investment to open one and see just how much up jumper bullshit you'll put up with for little return of profit. Anyone who says they open a dz "for the love of the sport and not income" is full of shit, you don't invest a pile of money to go broke and not afford to pay the bills!

And students pay the bills and make it possible to build tunnels and buy totters, KA's porters and the like, you fun jumpers are lucky you get to ride along, hell at some DZ's you get kicked right the fuck off a load if a TDM walks in the door and some other dz's close up shop once the TDM's are done for the day so the owner can go to the casino boats.

You are very lucky that Hans and the farm kicks ass and is such a great place to hang out as a fun jumper, but I'll bet you, if you fuck with Han's money to pay the bills you'll be gone quick.
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It all boils down to personal integrity. This is about not supporting dishonest businesses. If a DZ takes Skyride, They have integrity issues. If a Jumper supports a DZ that takes Skyride, the same could be said about them.

The only way that we as jumpers can do anything about this problem is to vote with our feet. Do not support DZO`s that Support Skyride. It may not make any difference at all, They may just say Good riddance to you. But atleast you will know you did the right thing.



I just posted a long reality check post in the discussion in general skydiving referencing California in particular.

It's really easy to toss around accusations about a lack of personal integrity when you have some options. As I stated in the other thread, it's a lot harder to vote with your feet in certain markets.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

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You are very lucky that Hans and the farm kicks ass and is such a great place to hang out as a fun jumper, but I'll bet you, if you fuck with Han's money to pay the bills you'll gone quick.


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We are very lucky. I have been at the farm where hans has put the fun jumpers before tandems, seriously. He is a unique dzo. As for people saying he won't stay in business more than a year due to him being a jumper friendly DZ. We are coming up on 4 years now. He has just bought a plane and has never accepted a skyride certificate. See, you can make money without being a leech that takes these scamcertificates
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That's because he's a stand up guy, but go stand at the drive way for half the day holding a sign that says skydive cadertown 1-800-sky-scam TDM's only $99.00...... and then go try to manifest and see how welcome you are.;)

Oh I know we'll try that out this weekend....LOL (free DZ entertainment) you can video!:P

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That's because he's a stand up guy, but go stand at the drive way for half the day holding a sign that says skydive cadertown 1-800-sky-scam TDM's only $99.00...... and then go try to manifest and see how welcome you are.;)

Oh I know we'll try that out this weekend....LOL (free DZ entertainment) you can video!:P



Fuck that, i'll lose too much video money:D
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You are very lucky that Hans and the farm kicks ass and is such a great place to hang out as a fun jumper, but I'll bet you, if you fuck with Han's money to pay the bills you'll be gone quick.



You seem to have an intuitive sense of the obvious.:D
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what would be the ramifications of uspa stepping in and telling dz's not to accept skyride? if we as members decide that this is not good for our sport, do we have some influence? is this even within the bounds of uspa's power? would dz's comply or just tell uspa to fuck off? it would take time, but we could elect directors who would take a stand against skyride. the question is, are there enough members that care? the vocal majority of people on dz.com are against skyride, but how many people don't mind and keep quiet because they have an unpopular opinion or just don't care. i'm not saying this is what we should do, but i think it should be discussed. vote with your vote as an alternative to vote with your feet. for many people, choosing not to jump at a skyride dz means choosing not to jump at all or walking away from their weekend family. i don't think it's fair to ask that, nor do i think its going to happen.


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It's a great idea, but look how many member fail to vote, it has always been very few. I don't see many GMDZ's really caring to be bossed around by USPA and being told how to run their business, I mean it's not like the membership and GMDZ owners don't know about the USPA's stance on this and the lawsuits, yet they choose to take the skyscam tickets anyway and as one pointed out they are helping to keep in business the ones who are suing HQ.
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if its something we want to do, maybe it could be a rallying point to get members to vote. my concern is that dzo's, even one's that don't take skyride, would resent uspa getting that far into how they run their business. dz's could pull out of uspa and possibly cause a rift in the skydiving community. that is the last thing i would want to see. i would like to see opinions of dzo's on this one.


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That's because he's a stand up guy . . . .



Hmmm - then perhaps - ALL the DZOs should be like that . . . It seems that you don't think they are then?

I know of at least 5 that aren't -
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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To a DZO it is another outlet that can produce profit for the business (OH! I said the B word again! "BUSINESS) they may not agree with the methods that are used by skyride in selling jumps to customers, but they cannot afford to turn away a profitable customer when so many of the local jumpers whom frequent their establishment produce no profit (experienced jumpers) If they made their decisions solely on ethics they could place their DZs into more financial risk!

No one has clean hands in this situation, so we can place no blame or guilt. So we come to this, these are the things as I see that support the current situation and must be changed for this situation to cease to continue.



BULLSHIT! What skavooloo school of logic did you go to? Even worse, where did you get your ethics?

So USPA has dirty hands because they came down on a company engaged in fraudulent business practices? Give me a huge fucking break!

If Skyripoff had tried to build a business ethically, by convincing DZO's of the need to market collaboratively, there would be no problem. Instead they engaged in fraud. DZ's that are or were going down and see Skyripoff as a way to avoid or delay that are nothing but shortsighted. Get off your lazy ass and collaborate internally or do your own thing. But what do these asswipes do? They accept business they know has been gotten fraudulently.

I've hung by and followed this thread and the story in general for quite some time; and after seeing the list of DZ's accepting the certificates finally am outraged enough to chime in.

Gutless wonders all of them. Absolutely the most pathetic behavior I've seen in my 12 years in the sport. THEY are as much a part of the problem as the people that run Skyripoff.

As has been mentioned, the very simple solution would be for the DZO's interested in ethical promotion and advancement of their businesses* to get together, agree not to do business with Skyripoff, and share resources to engage in some collaborative marketing.

It is a business, and business often involves collaboration. It doesn't mean you become business partners, but you can partner on certain specific activities. Marketing is one where that makes the most sense. Wouldn't it be better to work together and charge a fair price that you get to keep, than to accept business you know was gotten fraudulently.

Hell, I think anyone accepting the certificates should be named along with Skyripoff in a class action suit. You know people are getting fucked over on a regular basis, and you continue to be a part of it. Yep, you deserve to be prosecuted. And some of you are on the BoD?! We need to try to prove Statostar wrong and stop the efforts of some of our leadership in their selling out the sport.

The list of DZ's is fabulous. Those accepting the certs will never see a fucking penny of my money. We need to get the word out loud and wide.

Next we need a list of the DZO's for those places accepting. Make sure none of them gets elected to anything but a class action suit. Vote them out, and fast; and spend no money that can in any way make it into their hands.

*a necessary qualifier since we seem to have a bunch of DZO's that prefer getting a few dollars more than their local competitor even if it means being a partner to fraud than getting off their lazy ass and doing some creative marketing.

I can hear them now: "Oh help me, I can't compete. If I don't accept the certs my neighbor will. I can't compete, help me, I'm melting because I don't know how to market my DZ without getting a ROI; please help me. Oh wait, you mean if I take these certs that people payed outrageous prices for you'll send me more people with more certs. Well hell, I don't care what they paid, or that a lot of them get totally fucked, as long as I get mine. Thank you Skyripoff for saving my business and my pathetic self."
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And some of you are on the BoD?! We need to try to prove Statostar wrong and stop the efforts of some of our leadership in their selling out the sport.



Please don't misunderstand my post. What I said is.... The last time I was in Parris Ca, there was two BOD members who were jumping there and there was 5 or 6 DZO's jumping there. (two different trips) One of those BOD members I think makes it his home DZ or splits his time between there and E-snore.

What I didn't say was there are BOD members who are DZO's that take skyscam tickets.
In fact the 3 sitting DZO's BOD I'm pretty sure refuse to take the Skyscam tickets, those would be Mike Mullins, Sherry Bucher & Larry Hill.
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What I didn't say was there are BOD members who are DZO's that take skyscam tickets.
In fact the 3 sitting DZO's BOD I'm pretty sure refuse to take the Skyscam tickets, those would be Mike Mullins, Sherry Bucher & Larry Hill.



Add Jessie Farrington to that list, too.
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So...California has a plethora of DZs accepting Skysteal.

How about this:
Pick em' off one at a time. DON'T jump at one, tell 'em why...and go to another. When/If the one gets finacially strapped or loses it's common appeal, maybe they will see the light and stop taking the certs....then everyone moves back over there and repeats the process for the next one.

Nah....you'd never get enough people with integrity to make an impact.
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And some of you are on the BoD?! We need to try to prove Statostar wrong and stop the efforts of some of our leadership in their selling out the sport.



Please don't misunderstand my post. What I said is.... The last time I was in Parris Ca, there was two BOD members who were jumping there and there was 5 or 6 DZO's jumping there. (two different trips) One of those BOD members I think makes it his home DZ or splits his time between there and E-snore.

What I didn't say was there are BOD members who are DZO's that take skyscam tickets.
In fact the 3 sitting DZO's BOD I'm pretty sure refuse to take the Skyscam tickets, those would be Mike Mullins, Sherry Bucher & Larry Hill.



That is good to know. We still oughta attach names to those DZ's that take the certs. Publish a list of the DZ's that take them, along with the DZO's name, and the closest alternative place to jump that is not involved in this BS.
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Just a thought; if DZs that accept Skyride gift certificates are avoided by the regular jumpers, will they will be forced increasingly to rely on Skyride for part of their income?

Whether or not that's the case, I would think that one would have more influence on the DZO by actually being at their DZ and speaking to them face to face about concerns.

Um, sorry if this is speaking out of turn. :)

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still out partying I see.
on illegally and deceptively obtained monies no less

oh...people are still waiting on your "min"



C'mon, man... he's still waiting on yarak Cary to give him his marching orders...
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So...California has a plethora of DZs accepting Skysteal.

How about this:
Pick em' off one at a time. DON'T jump at one, tell 'em why...and go to another. When/If the one gets finacially strapped or loses it's common appeal, maybe they will see the light and stop taking the certs....then everyone moves back over there and repeats the process for the next one.

Nah....you'd never get enough people with integrity to make an impact.



Yes, because we all lack integrity on the west coast. :|
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Just a thought; if DZs that accept Skyride gift certificates are avoided by the regular jumpers, will they will be forced increasingly to rely on Skyride for part of their income?

Whether or not that's the case, I would think that one would have more influence on the DZO by actually being at their DZ and speaking to them face to face about concerns.



I think you make 2 excellent points, not out of turn at all. I hope it never comes to this, but I really wonder how all these DZO's who are accepting Skyride would react if/when Ben & Cary were to open their own DZ in say, southern California and start sending all the Skyride business to their DZ. I found the following on funjumper.com/skyride that speaks to a possible future of skyride...

"One day, a couple of years from know, SkyRide opens its own DZs across the country - nearly simultaneously. At this instant, referrals to all of the real DZs (that we know today) are cut off from SkyRide. SkyRide saves up other people's money to buy a fleet to support the operations. It's much better to use OPM than your own, right?"

We already know how they use people. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they opened their own DZ or took over an exisiting one out west and did the same thing they are doing in the south, screwing over all the other DZ's and DZO's who were their former "affiliates". :|

I do think the best solution is up jumpers speaking to these DZO's face to face about our concerns. If you can't avoid jumping at these DZ's, but are still concerned about these issues, please please please TALK to your DZO about it!

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Yes, because we all lack integrity on the west coast.



No. But most of your DZO`s seem to have some integrity issues (the ones that know what Skyride is about and still choose to do business with them). They have no problem accepting Skyride and their unethical business practices as long as it makes money for them.

I realize the California Jumpers dont have much choice as most DZ`s there are skyride affiliates. In California I think the most we can realistically expect is that Jumpers will try to talk to their DZO`s about what Skyride is doing to our sport.

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