skydivr 0 #1 March 13, 2006 Does anyone know who/where is making the mini risers that use a pin as a toggle keeper? I have a set (love them), but trying to find set that includes RSL hookup. Thanks skydivrKeith Abner D-17590 "Those who do, can't explain; those who don't, can't understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #2 March 13, 2006 Relative Workshop I think...NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #3 March 13, 2006 I believe RWS does._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #5 March 13, 2006 Parachutes de France ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivr 0 #6 March 13, 2006 It's Relative Workshop. Just ordered 2 new sets via telephone. They finally added RLS rings which is why I wanted a new set. They are great risers (will NOT accidentally come loose). Thanks for the lead!Keith Abner D-17590 "Those who do, can't explain; those who don't, can't understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #7 March 13, 2006 Sunpath's Velcro-less toggles/risers work good too IMO. I see you jump a Javelin (according to your profile)... why didn't you order a replacement set of Type 17 risers from Sunpath with toggles/risers... they come standard with RSL hook-up I believe too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #8 March 14, 2006 My J1 Javelin used to drop a brake line with almost regular monotonyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #9 March 14, 2006 QuoteMy J1 Javelin used to drop a brake line with almost regular monotony Interesting. I've never had a problem with Sunpath's Velcro-less toggle / riser system on my Jav... except maybe once in several hundred jumps on it and I attributed that to the "shit happens" sometimes / below the noise level catagory. Now in the past I have had problems with brakes coming unstowed on opening with, what happened to be what I was jumping at that time, Velcro'ed toggles, on a more "frequent" basis then I liked, BUT it was a problem were the "cat's eye" on the canopy steering lines where you set the brakes was "too big" and after sewing that up a bit, never had a problem with unstowed breaks on opening anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blitzkrieg 0 #10 March 15, 2006 the newer RWS risers IMO are absolutely the best risers out there. but i've never had any issues with Sunpath's velcroless risers either. i love the hard housing in the RWS risers as well, but some people do not like them because they are slightly more bulky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #11 March 15, 2006 Quotethe newer RWS risers IMO are absolutely the best risers out there. but i've never had any issues with Sunpath's velcroless risers either. i love the hard housing in the RWS risers as well, but some people do not like them because they are slightly more bulky. Sunpath has the hard housings in the risers too... so basically, the only diff between the two is that RWS uses a stright pin for the bottm "tuck" and Sunpath uses a hard fold of fabric just like the top of a toggle for the bottom "tuck"... ... oh, and RWS uses tape for the "sleeve" to stow the excess brake line on the back of the riser... where as Sunpath uses elastic... personally, I like the elastic better, but the tape on the RWS version works too... either way, better then stowing the excess through the top of the riser where the speed link or Slink attaches the lines to the riser... ... anyway, we're splitin' nits... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 14 #12 March 15, 2006 Still the single best method for the riser inserts is Velocities. The Infinity risers are hands down the best idea ever for securing that hard housing. I've had RWS, VSE and stock Jav risers. I'm on VSE's now and only wish they had the pin since its easier to stow other then that they are perfect.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Martini 0 #13 March 15, 2006 What Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 0 #14 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. Yup. Stowing the toggle is slower than with others, but I really like mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #15 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. Ditto. VSE makes the single nicest riser in the business right now. The Pin risers from RWS make it hard to get many stainless gromet sliders down, and the pins can be knocked free...---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyblu3 0 #16 March 15, 2006 parachutes de France were the first to come out with this design in the mid 90's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #17 March 15, 2006 QuoteSunpath's Velcro-less toggles/risers work good too IMO. I see you jump a Javelin (according to your profile)... why didn't you order a replacement set of Type 17 risers from Sunpath with toggles/risers... they come standard with RSL hook-up I believe too. __________________________________ You are correct! RSL ring comes standard on Sunpath risers. That reminds me of a rig I worked on. The owner tried to remove the RSL ring from the riser of his new Javelin. He removed the 3rd. ring of the 3-Ring! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ernokaikkonen 0 #18 March 15, 2006 You're talking about two different things. Parachutes de France makes toggles that set the brakes using a metal pin, but use two tuck tabs to secure the toggle. RWS makes toggles that replace the bottom tuck tab with a metal pin, but they set the brakes with a tucktab. See attachments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 8 #19 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteSunpath's Velcro-less toggles/risers work good too IMO. I see you jump a Javelin (according to your profile)... why didn't you order a replacement set of Type 17 risers from Sunpath with toggles/risers... they come standard with RSL hook-up I believe too. __________________________________ You are correct! RSL ring comes standard on Sunpath risers. That reminds me of a rig I worked on. The owner tried to remove the RSL ring from the riser of his new Javelin. He removed the 3rd. ring of the 3-Ring! Chuck LMAO! That's funny!! Anyway... ALL OF the risers folks have talked about here WORK. If someone perfers one over the other, fine, but remember they're all basically the same and they all work. Anyway... Anyway... Quoteskyblu3... "parachutes de France were the first to come out with this design in the mid 90's" Quoteernokaikkonen ..."You're talking about two different things. Parachutes de France makes toggles that set the brakes using a metal pin, but use two tuck tabs to secure the toggle. RWS makes toggles that replace the bottom tuck tab with a metal pin, but they set the brakes with a tucktab. " Thanks for the pics, ernokaikkonen. Skyblu3, I think the de Fance system is what used to be called "Zoo Toggles"... maybe Chuck will know (masterrig)... or pretty close to it and I believe they've been around longer then the 90s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tso-d_chris 0 #20 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. The good folks at VSE do an outstanding job paying attention to detail throughout the entire rig. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #21 March 15, 2006 Exactly. They will all work well if, they are used correctly and maintained. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 6 #22 March 15, 2006 Skyblu3, I think the de Fance system is what used to be called "Zoo Toggles"... maybe Chuck will know (masterrig)... or pretty close to it and I believe they've been around longer then the 90s. I remember seeing them in the mid 80's throughout Europe. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #12 March 15, 2006 Still the single best method for the riser inserts is Velocities. The Infinity risers are hands down the best idea ever for securing that hard housing. I've had RWS, VSE and stock Jav risers. I'm on VSE's now and only wish they had the pin since its easier to stow other then that they are perfect.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #13 March 15, 2006 What Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #14 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. Yup. Stowing the toggle is slower than with others, but I really like mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. Ditto. VSE makes the single nicest riser in the business right now. The Pin risers from RWS make it hard to get many stainless gromet sliders down, and the pins can be knocked free...---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyblu3 0 #16 March 15, 2006 parachutes de France were the first to come out with this design in the mid 90's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 March 15, 2006 QuoteSunpath's Velcro-less toggles/risers work good too IMO. I see you jump a Javelin (according to your profile)... why didn't you order a replacement set of Type 17 risers from Sunpath with toggles/risers... they come standard with RSL hook-up I believe too. __________________________________ You are correct! RSL ring comes standard on Sunpath risers. That reminds me of a rig I worked on. The owner tried to remove the RSL ring from the riser of his new Javelin. He removed the 3rd. ring of the 3-Ring! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #18 March 15, 2006 You're talking about two different things. Parachutes de France makes toggles that set the brakes using a metal pin, but use two tuck tabs to secure the toggle. RWS makes toggles that replace the bottom tuck tab with a metal pin, but they set the brakes with a tucktab. See attachments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #19 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteSunpath's Velcro-less toggles/risers work good too IMO. I see you jump a Javelin (according to your profile)... why didn't you order a replacement set of Type 17 risers from Sunpath with toggles/risers... they come standard with RSL hook-up I believe too. __________________________________ You are correct! RSL ring comes standard on Sunpath risers. That reminds me of a rig I worked on. The owner tried to remove the RSL ring from the riser of his new Javelin. He removed the 3rd. ring of the 3-Ring! Chuck LMAO! That's funny!! Anyway... ALL OF the risers folks have talked about here WORK. If someone perfers one over the other, fine, but remember they're all basically the same and they all work. Anyway... Anyway... Quoteskyblu3... "parachutes de France were the first to come out with this design in the mid 90's" Quoteernokaikkonen ..."You're talking about two different things. Parachutes de France makes toggles that set the brakes using a metal pin, but use two tuck tabs to secure the toggle. RWS makes toggles that replace the bottom tuck tab with a metal pin, but they set the brakes with a tucktab. " Thanks for the pics, ernokaikkonen. Skyblu3, I think the de Fance system is what used to be called "Zoo Toggles"... maybe Chuck will know (masterrig)... or pretty close to it and I believe they've been around longer then the 90s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #20 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat Phree said. My RWS pin risers are sweet but the superior riser is sold by Velocity Sports. Great toggle setup and the best hard housing around. They're a pain to pack but worth it in cable protection. The good folks at VSE do an outstanding job paying attention to detail throughout the entire rig. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #21 March 15, 2006 Exactly. They will all work well if, they are used correctly and maintained. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 6 #22 March 15, 2006 Skyblu3, I think the de Fance system is what used to be called "Zoo Toggles"... maybe Chuck will know (masterrig)... or pretty close to it and I believe they've been around longer then the 90s. I remember seeing them in the mid 80's throughout Europe. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #23 March 16, 2006 QuoteThe good folks at VSE do an outstanding job paying attention to detail throughout the entire rig. That's one of the reasons I own two of them.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
