SixtySecRush 0 #1 October 23, 2005 I currently have a Sabre2 and i was wondering what type of flare the Safire2 and Pilot have compared to the Sabre2. Also any flight comparison between the three mains would be helpful also. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #2 October 23, 2005 The pilot is a little more docile than a sabre2/safire2. The pilot will recover from a turn/dive more quickly. Sabre2 has more flare in the beginning of the stroke then the pilot. They both land pretty easily I think. There are lots of threads/reviews between these chutes...try a search and you will find what you're looking for.. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #3 October 23, 2005 There are several strings on this if you have a search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,355 #4 October 24, 2005 Sabre2 has a slightly longer recovery arc. Pilot has slightly better openings and is a bit more docile at light loadings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #5 October 24, 2005 QuoteSabre2 has a slightly longer recovery arc. Pilot has slightly better openings and is a bit more docile at light loadings. How does the pilot perform at heavier loadings (1.4 ish) compared to the sabre2? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #6 October 24, 2005 QuoteSabre2 has a slightly longer recovery arc. Pilot has slightly better openings and is a bit more docile at light loadings. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,355 #7 October 24, 2005 >How does the pilot perform at heavier loadings (1.4 ish) compared to >the sabre2? I have a 117 that I load at about 1.7; that one can be swooped but you have to do it fairly low (short arc.) I jumped a Pilot 140 in Thailand a few years ago at about 1.4. It was fairly well-behaved at that loading. Front riser pressure was pretty high, but again nice openings and good flare. Not much of a swooper at that loading, but then with all those people in the air I wasn't swooping anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #8 October 25, 2005 I have no expeirience with the Pilot. The Safire2 has a slightly "lower" flare point than the Sabre2 but I think it has more power and a better bottom end. The openings are softer and more consistent. I think the Safire2 has better glide and better slow speed flight. I like the Safire2 because you can get it lined with vectran. I prefer my canopies to be in trim after 200 jumps, but thats just me Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #9 October 25, 2005 QuoteI have no expeirience with the Pilot. The Safire2 has a slightly "lower" flare point than the Sabre2 but I think it has more power and a better bottom end. The openings are softer and more consistent. I think the Safire2 has better glide and better slow speed flight. I like the Safire2 because you can get it lined with vectran. I prefer my canopies to be in trim after 200 jumps, but thats just me How did the Safire compare to the Sabre in toggle pressure and turn rate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #10 October 25, 2005 QuoteI like the Safire2 because you can get it lined with vectran. I prefer my canopies to be in trim after 200 jumps, but thats just me werd NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #11 October 25, 2005 QuoteSabre2 has a slightly longer recovery arc. Pilot has slightly better openings and is a bit more docile at light loadings. I haven't jumped a Pilot at a light wingloading but Iv've got 400 jumps on my 140s loaded at a little over 1.9:1. They are fun canopies.. they don't spin up, I can get a pretty nice swoop on, they have enough flare to land straight in, they get me back from long spots, overall just a good solid canopy. Sunday I was a little too long and flat turned 180° back into the wind from 300 feet AGL and still had room to let it fly before flaring. I highly recommend these canopies to anyone looking for a great all-around canopy. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,355 #12 October 25, 2005 >They are fun canopies.. they don't spin up, I can get a pretty nice > swoop on, they have enough flare to land straight in, they get me > back from long spots, overall just a good solid canopy. Agree with all the above. However, I did want to point out that for people learning to swoop, it is often a better idea to get an intermediate swooping canopy (like a Nitro) because it's arc is a lot longer, and IMO it's safer to learn to swoop on a canopy like that because of the higher altitude you set up at. Doesn't mean the pilot can't be swooped well, but I think it's safer to learn on a longer-arc canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #13 October 25, 2005 I think the Safire2 had lighter toggle pressure but a slightly slower turn rate for the same amount of input. I prefer that trade off in order to get a bigger control range. I dont fly with the toggles that much. Did I mention that the Safire2 is guaranteed fro 31 days ? Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #14 October 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteI have no expeirience with the Pilot. The Safire2 has a slightly "lower" flare point than the Sabre2 but I think it has more power and a better bottom end. The openings are softer and more consistent. I think the Safire2 has better glide and better slow speed flight. I like the Safire2 because you can get it lined with vectran. I prefer my canopies to be in trim after 200 jumps, but thats just me How did the Safire compare to the Sabre in toggle pressure and turn rate? I've flown both Sabre 2's and Safire 2's at a 1.2 WL. and the comments above are spot on. In regards to your questions, the Sabre 2 had significantly lighter toggle and riser pressure and a fair bit longer recovery arc, but, IMO, a lesser turn rate. The Sabre 2 is also, IMO, a lot easier to spin up. My openings on my Safire 2 are ultra soft but the canopy wants to do a lazy spiral during the snivel. Not a major issue as harness shifting counters it, and it may very well be a result of the mods done to mine and not a feature common to stock Safire 2's. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #15 October 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI have no expeirience with the Pilot. The Safire2 has a slightly "lower" flare point than the Sabre2 but I think it has more power and a better bottom end. The openings are softer and more consistent. I think the Safire2 has better glide and better slow speed flight. I like the Safire2 because you can get it lined with vectran. I prefer my canopies to be in trim after 200 jumps, but thats just me How did the Safire compare to the Sabre in toggle pressure and turn rate? I've flown both Sabre 2's and Safire 2's at a 1.2 WL. and the comments above are spot on. In regards to your questions, the Sabre 2 had significantly lighter toggle and riser pressure and a fair bit longer recovery arc, but, IMO, a lesser turn rate. The Sabre 2 is also, IMO, a lot easier to spin up. My openings on my Safire 2 are ultra soft but the canopy wants to do a lazy spiral during the snivel. Not a major issue as harness shifting counters it, and it may very well be a result of the mods done to mine and not a feature common to stock Safire 2's. -Blind Thanks for the info, it's exactly what I've been looking for. I absolutely loved the way the Sabre2 landed, but it felt sluggish in turns. I'm going to give the Firebolt a try here in a few weeks, and if it doesn't land as well as the Sabre2 I'll probably just have to call PD and order one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #16 October 25, 2005 It's not the canopy, it's the pilot, that is responsible for how well a canopy lands and it is up to the pilot to figure out where the "sweet spot" is and the speed and duration of flare. Don't blame the canopy... If you want sporty turns, make a couple hundred more jumps then buy a Stiletto. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #17 October 25, 2005 QuoteIt's not the canopy, it's the pilot, that is responsible for how well a canopy lands and it is up to the pilot to figure out where the "sweet spot" is and the speed and duration of flare. Don't blame the canopy... I'm not "blaming the canopy" for anything. I haven't had any trouble landing anything I've flown lately, I just think the Sabre2 was more fun to land than anything I've flown so far. Quote If you want sporty turns, make a couple hundred more jumps then buy a Stiletto. If I want sporty turns, I'm going to try to find a canopy of the same size (a 230) with more sporty turns that I won't kill myself under. I'm not going to go spend $1500+ on a canopy that I'm not completely happy with. Nooo Stiletto...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mattjw916 2 #16 October 25, 2005 It's not the canopy, it's the pilot, that is responsible for how well a canopy lands and it is up to the pilot to figure out where the "sweet spot" is and the speed and duration of flare. Don't blame the canopy... If you want sporty turns, make a couple hundred more jumps then buy a Stiletto. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #17 October 25, 2005 QuoteIt's not the canopy, it's the pilot, that is responsible for how well a canopy lands and it is up to the pilot to figure out where the "sweet spot" is and the speed and duration of flare. Don't blame the canopy... I'm not "blaming the canopy" for anything. I haven't had any trouble landing anything I've flown lately, I just think the Sabre2 was more fun to land than anything I've flown so far. Quote If you want sporty turns, make a couple hundred more jumps then buy a Stiletto. If I want sporty turns, I'm going to try to find a canopy of the same size (a 230) with more sporty turns that I won't kill myself under. I'm not going to go spend $1500+ on a canopy that I'm not completely happy with. Nooo Stiletto...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites