ryoder 1,384 #1 May 11, 2009 http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?cmd=print&id=4134291"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #2 May 11, 2009 takes blasting someone's doors off to a whole new level Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #3 May 11, 2009 NO2 has its place, but not really on any car being driven on the street. Way too much trouble for the momentary thrill.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #4 May 11, 2009 Was that the result of a pressure relief valve malfunction?Damn, think about when cars go hydrogen fueled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #5 May 11, 2009 hahahaha wow.... NO2 is good for the track but to run it on the street is ridiculous.... unless he was parked at the track or drag strip he was stupid..... well i bet he didnt put NOS in his next car lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #6 May 11, 2009 that had to leave your ears ringing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #7 May 11, 2009 Quote Way too much trouble for the momentary thrill. Hours of ground training... thousands of dollars, all for a 60 second ride... Sound familiar. Maybe they were just wuffos that had to blow their time and money on something else."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 May 11, 2009 Quote that had to leave your ears ringing. Not to mention really happy and a bit sleepy! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #9 May 11, 2009 Probably got one of those carbon fiber bottles off of ebay second hand, that had been dropped once or twice. Scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #10 May 11, 2009 What was he useing Nitrogen Dioxide injection in a car for anyways? If it was me I might use nitrous oxide N2O but not NO2 Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beer 0 #11 May 12, 2009 Quote Was that the result of a pressure relief valve malfunction?Damn, think about when cars go hydrogen fueled. Hydrogen will be safer than that. There are storage cotainers that hold the gas molecules in a solid matrix. You can cut the cylinders in half and put them in a fire without detrimental effects. You can't use compressed hydrogen in regular cylinders, you can't compress it enough for it to be efficient. You would need huge cylinders to have any kind of range with current internal combustion engine technology. Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #12 May 12, 2009 Uhhh, hydrogen cars are electric, they currently use a bottle to store the gas for the fuel cell. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #13 May 12, 2009 what's REALLY scary is when you see people warming the n2o bottle with a propane torch! i've seen that more times than i can count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #14 May 12, 2009 QuoteWas that the result of a pressure relief valve malfunction? Damn, think about when cars go hydrogen fueled. I've had to take classes in tank filling for SCUBA. I've seen pics of explosions that have taken out most of an entire city block (not these little tanks, but really big ones they use for fill-stations). NO2 isn't really explosive - it acts as an oxidizer to hydrocarbons (i.e. petrol), so this wasn't a combustion reaction. The explosion was entirely due to the pressure in the tank. One compressed scuba tank has enough potential energy to lift a train locomotive 1 foot off the ground - nitrous tanks are usually smaller, but have plenty of stored energy. So the question is why did the tank rupture? It's likely that the user tampered with the burst valve to render it ineffective. But it could have also been a condemned tank, or been structurally compromised by the owner. Lots of possibilities. Usually, there is an investigation by DOT after a tank explosion.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 May 12, 2009 Quote..NO2 isn't really explosive - it acts as an oxidizer to hydrocarbons (i.e. petrol).. first, its N20, second, no, it doesnt, it just fills up the cylinders more with petrol than it normally would - think turbocharger at 4 bar..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #16 May 12, 2009 it introduces more oxygen into the cylinder. it doesn't have anything to do with the gas. the fuel is added by another means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #17 May 12, 2009 Exactly. The worst thing that can happen when Running N2O is for a Fuel Delivery Problem. It leans out and burns the pistons almost instantly. Almost all NOS kits will use a Hobbs Switch (or Similar) that will break the electrical Connection to the NOS solenoids if there is not adequate fuel pressure. Go to any drag strip and you will see a lot of guys out there with Propane torches heating up their Bottles before each run. Never seen one blow up like that one though. I have seen one blow a pressure relief valve for a few seconds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #18 May 12, 2009 Quote, it just fills up the cylinders more with petrol than it normally would Yeah, after looking it up, I see that I am wrong (kinda). QuoteThe gas itself is not flammable, but it delivers more oxygen than atmospheric air by breaking down at elevated temperatures. I think this qualifies as an oxidizer, though, since it apparently adds oxygen via a chemical reaction. My point was that it was not a combustion explosion - just a tank pressure explosion.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #19 May 12, 2009 QuoteIt leans out and burns the pistons almost instantly. yep, it's not just an oxidizer for hydrocarbons, it's an oxidizer for anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #20 May 12, 2009 QuoteGo to any drag strip and you will see a lot of guys out there with Propane torches heating up their Bottles before each run. i've always hated that. you're making weak spots by doing that. bottle heaters are fairly inexpensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #21 May 12, 2009 QuoteQuote, it just fills up the cylinders more with petrol than it normally would Yeah, after looking it up, I see that I am wrong (kinda). QuoteThe gas itself is not flammable, but it delivers more oxygen than atmospheric air by breaking down at elevated temperatures. I think this qualifies as an oxidizer, though, since it apparently adds oxygen via a chemical reaction. My point was that it was not a combustion explosion - just a tank pressure explosion. it does carry oxygen, but the whole point is also to cool the gas-mixture, together with the higher pressure than ambient air pressure, your engines cylinders get to be better filled..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 May 12, 2009 Quoteit does carry oxygen, but the whole point is also to cool the gas-mixture, together with the higher pressure than ambient air pressure, your engines cylinders get to be better filled.. Sure, it cools the intake charge to a degree. Is that the main reason for running NOX? Nope. The breakdown of NOX provide more oxygen than atmospheric air and allows a higher charge of fuel per cycle, providing more power.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofast 0 #23 May 12, 2009 the cooler air charge is just an advantageous by-product. that's not what's making the extra 300hp. lol. it's the extra oxygen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 May 12, 2009 Quote the cooler air charge is just an advantageous by-product. that's not what's making the extra 300hp. lol. it's the extra oxygen. I think that's basically what I said above, yes... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #25 May 13, 2009 Quote it does carry oxygen, What I originally said was Nitrous is an oxidizer, and maybe this will settle the discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent QuoteCommon oxidizing agents * Potassium Nitrate (KNO3) * Hypochlorite and other hypohalite compounds such as Bleach * Iodine and other halogens * Chlorite, chlorate, perchlorate, and other analogous halogen compounds * Permanganate salts * Ammonium cerium(IV) nitrate and probably related Cerium(IV) compounds * Hexavalent chromium compounds such as chromic and dichromic acids and chromium trioxide, Pyridinium chlorochromate (PCC), and chromate/dichromate compounds * Peroxide compounds * Tollens' reagent * Sulfoxides * Persulfuric acid * Ozone * Osmium tetroxide (OsO4) * Nitric acid * Nitrous oxide (N2O) Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
