Mostly_Harmless 0 #1 July 8, 2005 I recently just finished up AFF and have purchased some used gear in great shape. I brought a Vector 3 container, 190 Spectre (about 300 jumps), 2003 PD reserve, and a brand new Vigil. My instructor is working me down slowly to the smaller wing load. I am currently jumping a Navigator 200, so I am getting pretty close to jumping with my own gear(finally). My only concern is that the Nav is a 9 cell, while the Spectre is a 7 cell. Are there any big changes I should be expecting from the 7 cell over the 9 cell? Any concerns I should be aware of? I really enjoy flying the Nav. 200 and just want to be sure that the Spectre will be just as fun._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #2 July 8, 2005 Quote I really enjoy flying the Nav. 200 and just want to be sure that the Spectre will be just as fun. It will be funner. (Yes, I made up that word) It will be quite a change (in a good way) going from student gear, to sport gear. Your instruct-er-ators will give you all the info you need. Just remember to be careful. Have fun with your Spectre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Joellercoaster 6 #3 July 8, 2005 I second the "more funner" comment. I've almost exactly in the same place as you - I went from a Navigator to a (slightly) smaller Spectre for a few jumps, and to my uneducated eye, it was a lot more fun. (I'm still going to buy a Pilot though ) The angle of descent was noticeably steeper (this is generally a 7-cell characteristic, they tell me) and the flare was a bit more abrupt (again, seven cells) which took a couple of tries to work out how to land gracefully. But flying it was night and day. As sport canopies go the Spectre has a reputation for being pretty gentle, but after the Nav it felt positively zippy. Woohoo! Nice pickup.-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Diversgodown 0 #4 July 8, 2005 QuoteIt will be funner. (Yes, I made up that word)Quote I think we should send a petition to Webster to make funner a word!!! ***Glory Favors the Bold*** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #5 July 8, 2005 lol, sweet, thanks guys. I am really excited to try it and hope they will let me jump it soon (also so that I don't have to pay for rentals anymore @ $85 a day)._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #6 July 8, 2005 Funner is unanimous! The Spectre has tapered ends. It will glide in and out of turns better.... more responsive. The flare is powerful! You'll love it. Take some time to discuss the flight charactoristics with an instructor before going up. Open with enough altitude to play around for a bit. Feel the difference in the turns. Also practice brake turns. Find the flare point. Most of all. Have fun! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #7 July 8, 2005 I love that Nav. 200, its very forgiving! Soon I'm going to be using a Hornet 190. I jumped a Sabre 2, that was a 190. The sport rig is definately different. When I turned with the wind I really felt the difference! Also, be aware (cause I freaked for a second when I went to pull) the pilot will probebly be CONSIDERABLY tighter and will take more effort to get out. I went to pull on the Sabre, and first attempt it felt stuck! I thought "OH F*CK!" took a breath and tried again and it came out. Sport rigs that are 'freefly safe' have good tight spandex, and the pilot is a little harder to extract, compared to that Nav. Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #8 July 8, 2005 Thanks Gravitygirl! I read good things about that canopy but wanted to make sure I knew what was coming in terms with the 7 cell. Firsted learned on a 240 and now at a 200, which is a lot more fun to fly! Huka the Nav is a lot of fun, going from the Nav 240 to the 200 was a big difference, it turned much better. Did you find your own gear yet? Those rentals are killing my funds specially since I already have my own rig!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #9 July 8, 2005 Yes, I have a Javelin container and reserve, my hornet 190 should be on its way soon, just need a cypres that I can afford! You jumping this weekend? I'll be out sunday when I get off work! Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #10 July 8, 2005 Since Saturday's weather is looking bad I should be there on Sunday as long as the weather gets better!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #11 July 8, 2005 Sunday is supposed to be nice, I can't wait, I can only afford to one more jump before I go to Fla. I'm going to Zhills and I got budget for about 10 jumps next weekend! Who knows maybe when I come back I'll have my B lisence Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bisqit999 0 #12 July 9, 2005 you guys suck...I gotta work. Steve...they have a spectre 210 there to rent that I've been using...ask them to try it out. Lies really nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #13 July 9, 2005 You're gonna have a blast with the spectre, but I would be concerned with the wing loading on your reserve though, that 30 squ. feet can make a big difference. When you're already in a world of shit the last thing you should be worried about is trying to land a reserve thats flying alot faster than your main. Have your instructors talked to you about this? If not you should bring it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #14 July 9, 2005 Yes my AFF instructor cleared me for this rig. I had him check out everything and he said it was good to go!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #15 July 9, 2005 Who is your instructor? I cant believe that he cleared you to jump a rig with a 1.2 on the reserve. What you have to consider is that when things go to shit your not going to have a whole lot of options. your gonna be low, disoriented, and in deep shit if you have to land that reserve in a small area or downwind.All I'm saying is that when your in trouble and have to go to reserve you're probably not gonna have ideal landing conditions. I would talk to Ray and get his input.I'm still a newbe with 115 jumps but I would not jump it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookncrater 0 #16 July 9, 2005 Dude, 1.2 on a reserve is not like 1.2 on a zp main. Reserves are even less responsive than the average student canopy like a Navigator. Loading your first reserve like that is pretty common these days. My first reserve was loaded at just under 1.2 as well. Now if it was something like a PD106R at 1.2 it would be a bigger deal, but if it's a PD160R or thereabouts at 1.2 it is less of an issue in my mind. My $0.02________________________________________________________________________________ when in doubt... hook it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #17 July 9, 2005 Maybe I'm wrong, but based on issues that have come up at my dz, for someone just off student status this seems a little too agressive for this guys LAST CHANCE. Like I said, I'm still very new to this sport. When I have to go for silver I wouldn't want to find out then that my reserve was too small fo my experience level. Just mho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Joellercoaster 6 #3 July 8, 2005 I second the "more funner" comment. I've almost exactly in the same place as you - I went from a Navigator to a (slightly) smaller Spectre for a few jumps, and to my uneducated eye, it was a lot more fun. (I'm still going to buy a Pilot though ) The angle of descent was noticeably steeper (this is generally a 7-cell characteristic, they tell me) and the flare was a bit more abrupt (again, seven cells) which took a couple of tries to work out how to land gracefully. But flying it was night and day. As sport canopies go the Spectre has a reputation for being pretty gentle, but after the Nav it felt positively zippy. Woohoo! Nice pickup.-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diversgodown 0 #4 July 8, 2005 QuoteIt will be funner. (Yes, I made up that word)Quote I think we should send a petition to Webster to make funner a word!!! ***Glory Favors the Bold*** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #5 July 8, 2005 lol, sweet, thanks guys. I am really excited to try it and hope they will let me jump it soon (also so that I don't have to pay for rentals anymore @ $85 a day)._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #6 July 8, 2005 Funner is unanimous! The Spectre has tapered ends. It will glide in and out of turns better.... more responsive. The flare is powerful! You'll love it. Take some time to discuss the flight charactoristics with an instructor before going up. Open with enough altitude to play around for a bit. Feel the difference in the turns. Also practice brake turns. Find the flare point. Most of all. Have fun! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #7 July 8, 2005 I love that Nav. 200, its very forgiving! Soon I'm going to be using a Hornet 190. I jumped a Sabre 2, that was a 190. The sport rig is definately different. When I turned with the wind I really felt the difference! Also, be aware (cause I freaked for a second when I went to pull) the pilot will probebly be CONSIDERABLY tighter and will take more effort to get out. I went to pull on the Sabre, and first attempt it felt stuck! I thought "OH F*CK!" took a breath and tried again and it came out. Sport rigs that are 'freefly safe' have good tight spandex, and the pilot is a little harder to extract, compared to that Nav. Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #8 July 8, 2005 Thanks Gravitygirl! I read good things about that canopy but wanted to make sure I knew what was coming in terms with the 7 cell. Firsted learned on a 240 and now at a 200, which is a lot more fun to fly! Huka the Nav is a lot of fun, going from the Nav 240 to the 200 was a big difference, it turned much better. Did you find your own gear yet? Those rentals are killing my funds specially since I already have my own rig!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #9 July 8, 2005 Yes, I have a Javelin container and reserve, my hornet 190 should be on its way soon, just need a cypres that I can afford! You jumping this weekend? I'll be out sunday when I get off work! Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #10 July 8, 2005 Since Saturday's weather is looking bad I should be there on Sunday as long as the weather gets better!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites huka551 0 #11 July 8, 2005 Sunday is supposed to be nice, I can't wait, I can only afford to one more jump before I go to Fla. I'm going to Zhills and I got budget for about 10 jumps next weekend! Who knows maybe when I come back I'll have my B lisence Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bisqit999 0 #12 July 9, 2005 you guys suck...I gotta work. Steve...they have a spectre 210 there to rent that I've been using...ask them to try it out. Lies really nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #13 July 9, 2005 You're gonna have a blast with the spectre, but I would be concerned with the wing loading on your reserve though, that 30 squ. feet can make a big difference. When you're already in a world of shit the last thing you should be worried about is trying to land a reserve thats flying alot faster than your main. Have your instructors talked to you about this? If not you should bring it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mostly_Harmless 0 #14 July 9, 2005 Yes my AFF instructor cleared me for this rig. I had him check out everything and he said it was good to go!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #15 July 9, 2005 Who is your instructor? I cant believe that he cleared you to jump a rig with a 1.2 on the reserve. What you have to consider is that when things go to shit your not going to have a whole lot of options. your gonna be low, disoriented, and in deep shit if you have to land that reserve in a small area or downwind.All I'm saying is that when your in trouble and have to go to reserve you're probably not gonna have ideal landing conditions. I would talk to Ray and get his input.I'm still a newbe with 115 jumps but I would not jump it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookncrater 0 #16 July 9, 2005 Dude, 1.2 on a reserve is not like 1.2 on a zp main. Reserves are even less responsive than the average student canopy like a Navigator. Loading your first reserve like that is pretty common these days. My first reserve was loaded at just under 1.2 as well. Now if it was something like a PD106R at 1.2 it would be a bigger deal, but if it's a PD160R or thereabouts at 1.2 it is less of an issue in my mind. My $0.02________________________________________________________________________________ when in doubt... hook it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyBye 0 #17 July 9, 2005 Maybe I'm wrong, but based on issues that have come up at my dz, for someone just off student status this seems a little too agressive for this guys LAST CHANCE. Like I said, I'm still very new to this sport. When I have to go for silver I wouldn't want to find out then that my reserve was too small fo my experience level. Just mho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Mostly_Harmless 0 #5 July 8, 2005 lol, sweet, thanks guys. I am really excited to try it and hope they will let me jump it soon (also so that I don't have to pay for rentals anymore @ $85 a day)._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #6 July 8, 2005 Funner is unanimous! The Spectre has tapered ends. It will glide in and out of turns better.... more responsive. The flare is powerful! You'll love it. Take some time to discuss the flight charactoristics with an instructor before going up. Open with enough altitude to play around for a bit. Feel the difference in the turns. Also practice brake turns. Find the flare point. Most of all. Have fun! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huka551 0 #7 July 8, 2005 I love that Nav. 200, its very forgiving! Soon I'm going to be using a Hornet 190. I jumped a Sabre 2, that was a 190. The sport rig is definately different. When I turned with the wind I really felt the difference! Also, be aware (cause I freaked for a second when I went to pull) the pilot will probebly be CONSIDERABLY tighter and will take more effort to get out. I went to pull on the Sabre, and first attempt it felt stuck! I thought "OH F*CK!" took a breath and tried again and it came out. Sport rigs that are 'freefly safe' have good tight spandex, and the pilot is a little harder to extract, compared to that Nav. Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #8 July 8, 2005 Thanks Gravitygirl! I read good things about that canopy but wanted to make sure I knew what was coming in terms with the 7 cell. Firsted learned on a 240 and now at a 200, which is a lot more fun to fly! Huka the Nav is a lot of fun, going from the Nav 240 to the 200 was a big difference, it turned much better. Did you find your own gear yet? Those rentals are killing my funds specially since I already have my own rig!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huka551 0 #9 July 8, 2005 Yes, I have a Javelin container and reserve, my hornet 190 should be on its way soon, just need a cypres that I can afford! You jumping this weekend? I'll be out sunday when I get off work! Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #10 July 8, 2005 Since Saturday's weather is looking bad I should be there on Sunday as long as the weather gets better!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huka551 0 #11 July 8, 2005 Sunday is supposed to be nice, I can't wait, I can only afford to one more jump before I go to Fla. I'm going to Zhills and I got budget for about 10 jumps next weekend! Who knows maybe when I come back I'll have my B lisence Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bisqit999 0 #12 July 9, 2005 you guys suck...I gotta work. Steve...they have a spectre 210 there to rent that I've been using...ask them to try it out. Lies really nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyBye 0 #13 July 9, 2005 You're gonna have a blast with the spectre, but I would be concerned with the wing loading on your reserve though, that 30 squ. feet can make a big difference. When you're already in a world of shit the last thing you should be worried about is trying to land a reserve thats flying alot faster than your main. Have your instructors talked to you about this? If not you should bring it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #14 July 9, 2005 Yes my AFF instructor cleared me for this rig. I had him check out everything and he said it was good to go!_________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyBye 0 #15 July 9, 2005 Who is your instructor? I cant believe that he cleared you to jump a rig with a 1.2 on the reserve. What you have to consider is that when things go to shit your not going to have a whole lot of options. your gonna be low, disoriented, and in deep shit if you have to land that reserve in a small area or downwind.All I'm saying is that when your in trouble and have to go to reserve you're probably not gonna have ideal landing conditions. I would talk to Ray and get his input.I'm still a newbe with 115 jumps but I would not jump it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookncrater 0 #16 July 9, 2005 Dude, 1.2 on a reserve is not like 1.2 on a zp main. Reserves are even less responsive than the average student canopy like a Navigator. Loading your first reserve like that is pretty common these days. My first reserve was loaded at just under 1.2 as well. Now if it was something like a PD106R at 1.2 it would be a bigger deal, but if it's a PD160R or thereabouts at 1.2 it is less of an issue in my mind. My $0.02________________________________________________________________________________ when in doubt... hook it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyBye 0 #17 July 9, 2005 Maybe I'm wrong, but based on issues that have come up at my dz, for someone just off student status this seems a little too agressive for this guys LAST CHANCE. Like I said, I'm still very new to this sport. When I have to go for silver I wouldn't want to find out then that my reserve was too small fo my experience level. Just mho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
