Don't vandalise peoples logbooks!

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her extraordinarily sensitive sense of smell. Jolie and her husband have both decided to take up skydiving and have started showing up at the DZ. (farting eventuality)

analogies are fun -

1 - if the farts just happen, Jolie needs to suck it up - she can't intrude on others any more than they can intrude on her, and rectal plugs are intrusive . (if the posters wife is upset if she sees pornlike cartoons in someone else's logbook - too bad)

2 - if the farters grab her, hold her down and fart in her face - different story (someone directly put the cartoons in her book without permission)

direct action vs just the random environment - lines get crossed when it's focused vs just people doing their things. We can't ask someone to change their behavior in general, but we certainly have the right to ask someone to change their behavior towards us (someone obnoxious can/will nuance this a bit, but you get my drift I hope).

good conversation, have a good weekend



perhaps if Jolie takes up CrW, and minimizes her freestyle participation, she can get used to many different odors

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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"if the farts just happen, Jolie needs to suck it up"

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"if the farts just happen, Jolie needs to suck it up"

I'm NOT changing it. Nope.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[nigel99 143]

Drawing sexually explicit pictures with accompanying text describing what you'd like to do to someone really crosses the line WHEN you don't know them.

I'm quite happy with a wild and free dropzone culture when the beer light goes on. I don't mind spending a night at. Dz but I wouldn't encourage my wife to.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Drawing sexually explicit pictures with accompanying text describing what you'd like to do to someone really crosses the line WHEN you don't know them.

I'm quite happy with a wild and free dropzone culture when the beer light goes on. I don't mind spending a night at. Dz but I wouldn't encourage my wife to.

And the plot thickens. While I don't think writing in someones logbook is a big deal, what you just described is the sign of a defective person who might need an ass whipping. All for fun and games, don't disrespect my wife.

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Log books, Iphowns, Protracks, don't prove anything.

If a dzo wants to know what I know, he/ she can ask me questions, put me in a hanging harness, or hook me up to a lie detector.

I don't take pictures, I don't log, and rarely even look at my protrack. I don't look back.

If you don't trust me and don't want me to jump at your dz because I can't produce a decent log book....then can I buy a log book and a few pens? Or should I take my money elsewhere?

Well if i was DZO and you fronted with that attitude, I'd gladly tell you to take you money elsewhere.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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But I brought beer.

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.then can I buy a log book and a few pens? Or should I take my money elsewhere?

My point exactly. My USPA card showed an experts license and a bunch of diamond wing stuff, so they knew I had X number of jumps or so.

The log book doesn't PROVE I'm current, it's just a show of checking. It's just like taking your shoes off at the airport security line.

And that, Squeak, is why the .

Question for you John, (an not trying to be a smart arse).

Do you think Currency is important once you have over "X",000 jumps?

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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My middle name is John...so I'll answer with yes. Currency is very important to any aviation activity no matter how many jumps you have.

Trying to be as "bad ass" as you used to be on your first jump in 2 years is a bad idea. Doing it right after a paid recurrency jump is ok.

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My middle name is John...so I'll answer with yes. Currency is very important to any aviation activity no matter how many jumps you have.

Trying to be as "bad ass" as you used to be on your first jump in 2 years is a bad idea. Doing it right after a paid recurrency jump is ok.

How does the DZO know which category you "fall" into?

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My middle name is John...so I'll answer with yes. Currency is very important to any aviation activity no matter how many jumps you have.

Trying to be as "bad ass" as you used to be on your first jump in 2 years is a bad idea. Doing it right after a paid recurrency jump is ok.

Welcome to the world of contradicting yourself Cheesie

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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Hello, the point is: A log book isn't going to save a dzo and a paid recurrency jump isn't going to save the skygod poser.

Log books are not the solution to proving competency for a jump.
They can be easily faked. As well as the reserve data card. As well as the call to my fake dzo in Canada.

A quick "drivers test" oral and written would make more sense if one is really worried about liability from suicidal people with new Go Pros.

I'm done with this topic. Going jumping.

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What's a logbook?

I'm with you...

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[JohnMitchell 14]

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Question for you John, (an not trying to be a smart arse).

Do you think Currency is important once you have over "X",000 jumps?

Hey Squeaka, I'm always open to questions from you, mate.

After getting a D license, 500 jumps, I feel you can go YEARS without jumping, come out, put on a rig and safely make a solo or small RW jump. I just had a friend, 666 jumps (cool number, eh?), who hadn't jumped in 7 years come out, rent some gear and make a solo yesterday. I would have made it a two way but I was busy with students. Quick review, no problems.

I've seen similar jumps before with many old friends. As long as you keep your head in the sport and your EP's pumped into your pumpkin, I think you can make small, simple jumps safely after long periods of inactivity. The problem is how to keep rusty people off big ways, etc. There's not so much a problem with currency as there is with stupidity.

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After getting a D license, 500 jumps, I feel you can go YEARS without jumping, come out, put on a rig and safely make a solo or small RW jump. I just had a friend, 666 jumps (cool number, eh?), who hadn't jumped in 7 years come out, rent some gear and make a solo yesterday. I would have made it a two way but I was busy with students. Quick review, no problems.

I've seen similar jumps before with many old friends. As long as you keep your head in the sport and your EP's pumped into your pumpkin, I think you can make small, simple jumps safely after long periods of inactivity. The problem is how to keep rusty people off big ways, etc. There's not so much a problem with currency as there is with stupidity.

+1... Could not have said it better

killler

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..., if someone is that easily offended I'll ask again if a DZ is the right place for them? I mean, would you go to an adult comedy club if you were deeply offended by curse words?

it appears from your posts that you seem to think that the atmosphere at your DZ is such that it's either our way or the highway...and that's fine...for YOUR DZ.

However, some of us are more considerate of others.

So, if I were to be offended by your DZ pranks, I would definitely go elsewhere with my business, yes. I would not attend the adult comedy club. I also would have expected you to make it known beforehand that your DZ,like the comedy club , engages in such activities so that I would not have been subjected to the pranks in the first place. Instead, you seem to be advocating, "Come on down and let us offend you first before you know to go elsewhere."

It's just good human inter-relations to simply not do those pranks...you never know when it's going to cross the line of no return.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Tuna-Salad 0]

Messing with someones' logbook is about as fucked up as messing with a mans' car...

Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night.

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Messing with someones' logbook is about as fucked up as messing with a mans' car...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO48Vr4KIc8

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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it appears from your posts that you seem to think that the atmosphere at your DZ is such that it's either our way or the highway...

No Pops, I'm not saying that at all. Assuming that logbook entry was a well intentioned but inappropriate and unwelcome prank, then why not just remove the page from your logbook, let the folks know who did it that you really didn't care for it and ask them not to do it again? Hopefully they would apologize, offer to buy a beer and everyone would sing Kumbaya around the bonfire.

My point is, it’s a fairly innocent, minor transgression. If the reaction to something like this is to be “humiliated and embarrassed,” text one’s SO because your so upset and have a post on the net about how your logbook has been "vandalized" then really, is a dropzone a good place for someone like this to hang out? Alternately, are you suggesting we should censor and police ourselves so as to never accidentally offend anyone? And, yet again, I’m very sorry she was upset but a dropzone IS an adult environment. Someone this sensitive – some might say overly sensitive – is probably going to be offended a lot by being there.

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Assuming that logbook entry was a well intentioned but inappropriate and unwelcome prank, then why not just remove the page from your logbook, let the folks know who did it that you really didn't care for it and ask them not to do it again?

All that has to be done, yes. Why make it necessary?

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it’s a fairly innocent, minor transgression.

To you, obviously yes. To others, not so much.

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If the reaction to something like this is to be “humiliated and embarrassed,” text one’s SO because your so upset and have a post on the net about how your logbook has been "vandalized" then really, is a dropzone a good place for someone like this to hang out?

Your DZ...no. Others? Yes.
Please don't think that every DZ is like yours in this respect.
Some of us have some respect for others.

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Alternately, are you suggesting we should censor and police ourselves so as to never accidentally offend anyone?

It's what considerate adults do as a matter of course.

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.....but a dropzone IS an adult environment.

Correct. Vandalizing personal property is not something an adult would do.

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Someone this sensitive – some might say overly sensitive – is probably going to be offended a lot by being there.

Correct...especially so when the adults who are already there have so little consideration for others and insist on offending them. It's like you are saying, "I'm gonna do whatever I'm gonna do and screw you if you don't like it."

You're talking anarchy...no rules apply. The world doesn't work that way.

I know you will never understand the point. So, you can have the last word on this and we'll be good to go. No hard feelings.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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it appears from your posts that you seem to think that the atmosphere at your DZ is such that it's either our way or the highway...

No Pops, I'm not saying that at all. Assuming that logbook entry was a well intentioned but inappropriate and unwelcome prank, then why not just remove the page from your logbook, let the folks know who did it that you really didn't care for it and ask them not to do it again? Hopefully they would apologize, offer to buy a beer and everyone would sing Kumbaya around the bonfire.

My point is, it’s a fairly innocent, minor transgression. If the reaction to something like this is to be “humiliated and embarrassed,” text one’s SO because your so upset and have a post on the net about how your logbook has been "vandalized" then really, is a dropzone a good place for someone like this to hang out? Alternately, are you suggesting we should censor and police ourselves so as to never accidentally offend anyone? And, yet again, I’m very sorry she was upset but a dropzone IS an adult environment. Someone this sensitive – some might say overly sensitive – is probably going to be offended a lot by being there.

Hey Dean,
She removed the page, and texted me. I made the post - she doesn't even know about me posting about it. She loved the particular dz where this occurred. The only 2 reasons we won't be back are distance (12 000 miles) and her sweetheart AFF instructor has left

It's not a matter of sensitivity. MOST modern dz's 'sell' themselves as commercial business's. One of the changes in the sport that results from this is we now DO have families and children around DZ's. I'm not personally offended by anything, but I do think that the DZ behaviour of old has little to no place during the DAY. This weekend I was sitting out at our new dz and just chilling. The jumpers were outnumbered by families with little kids watching parents, and other family members doing tandems. Like it or not a DZ is no longer the same adult playground it was 20 years ago.

By the way if you think that unwanted sexually explicit material in someone's personal property is a "innocent, minor transgression" we are probably on completely different wavelengths and will never agree.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Messing with someones' logbook is about as fucked up as messing with a mans' car...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO48Vr4KIc8

+ 1 (see my recent thread)

lisa
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FB 1023
CBDB 9

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Question for you John, (an not trying to be a smart arse).

Do you think Currency is important once you have over "X",000 jumps?

Hey Squeaka, I'm always open to questions from you, mate.

After getting a D license, 500 jumps, I feel you can go YEARS without jumping, come out, put on a rig and safely make a solo or small RW jump. I just had a friend, 666 jumps (cool number, eh?), who hadn't jumped in 7 years come out, rent some gear and make a solo yesterday. I would have made it a two way but I was busy with students. Quick review, no problems.

I've seen similar jumps before with many old friends. As long as you keep your head in the sport and your EP's pumped into your pumpkin, I think you can make small, simple jumps safely after long periods of inactivity. The problem is how to keep rusty people off big ways, etc. There's not so much a problem with currency as there is with stupidity.

^This. After a half hour review of EPs and situational awareness my recurrency jump after a year deployed was "2 point HD, 2 point sit, 2 point belly and track to the sun"

ofc its nice when its your home DZ and they know where you 'were' but that's the point of national standard licensing. Does a D mean Expert or not?

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but that's the point of national standard licensing. Does a D mean Expert or not?

Exactly.