FlyingRhenquest 1 #1 November 16, 2012 I stumbled across this video while trawling teh youtubes. I've seen many a skydiving video, but very few that made me laugh like this. Dude's instructors must have loved him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BCMLpOFh9YI'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrouse 0 #2 November 16, 2012 Best video ever! This is how I hope to go into my AFF training! I am yet again in New Hampshire this weekend at the Sky Venture wind tunnel. I have 30 min scheduled through out the weekend. I am planning on hitting the wind tunnel up here every two weeks for about 30 minutes until the weather is nice enough at home to start AFF. This video gets me excited for spring!Lovin every second of it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #3 November 16, 2012 Tunnel time can make AFF a breeze. I;m sure it will be a huge help to you when you start up AFF. My son was a tunnel instructor when he finally did AFF. Breezed thru it all in 5 jumps. My wife and I had so much fun training him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 November 17, 2012 Quote Tunnel time can make AFF a breeze. I;m sure it will be a huge help to you when you start up AFF. True enough...if you're only concerned with air skills.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #5 November 17, 2012 Please don't get too far out there. That video was not a normal AFF training progression.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #6 November 17, 2012 Quote Quote Tunnel time can make AFF a breeze. I;m sure it will be a huge help to you when you start up AFF. True enough...if you're only concerned with air skills. I hear that kind of thing a lot. If the air skills are second nature, that leaves more time to focus on canopy control, altitude awareness, etc. How is it bad that the student doesn't have to struggle with freefall problems? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #7 November 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Tunnel time can make AFF a breeze. I;m sure it will be a huge help to you when you start up AFF. True enough...if you're only concerned with air skills. I hear that kind of thing a lot. If the air skills are second nature, that leaves more time to focus on canopy control, altitude awareness, etc. How is it bad that the student doesn't have to struggle with freefall problems? It's not bad and I didn't mean to imply that. And I certainly was not pointing fingers at you John. I hope you didn't take it that way. It was simply my on-going beef with instructors who scrimp on the book learning and only focus on air skills. And on top of that, this relates to the discussion about reducing AFFI requirements for the tunnel rats. The guy can fly, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a safe skydiver. And on top of THAT...the OPs eagerness to get to the AFF flying skills demonstrated in the vid raises a red flag....there's more to skydiving than freefall....which is why I pointed out to him that the vid is not normal AFF progression.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #8 November 17, 2012 Quote .which is why I pointed out to him that the vid is not normal AFF progression. Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what they were doing. My son did the regular progression but combined a couple of jumps. His canopy skills are very good too, having almost all standup landings and easily getting on target landing for his A license. On his 9th jump he had an altimeter stick on him but was aware that the needle wasn't moving, other jumpers were deploying and the ground was getting bigger. He pulled at a safe altitude. Someone less comfortable flying their body may have been much less aware. Maybe all those years at the DZ payed off, dunno. I've heard anecdotes of tunnel rats being cocky about safety in our sport, but I haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen cocky students before. Haven't we all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #9 November 17, 2012 Towards the end of the video he does the barrel roll, I don't think it's an instability introducing maneuver if he can roll into a nice backfly, then back to his belly. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #10 November 17, 2012 Quote Towards the end of the video he does the barrel roll, I don't think it's an instability introducing maneuver if he can roll into a nice backfly, then back to his belly. Yeah, for my son's maneuvers I showed him how we taught barrel rolls, then just said "Do it any way you want." His 24th and 25th jumps, working on his A, he went up and coached his coach (me) on my sitflying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #11 November 17, 2012 Quote Quote .which is why I pointed out to him that the vid is not normal AFF progression. Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what they were doing. SNIP Hi JM & POPs We're all getting older & the industry continues to evolve The video may be showing the next generation of AFF for locations that are close to a tunnel. AFF 2 A combo of a significant amount of tunnel time ($$$), and some serious ground school with the AFFI's acting as a safety net in the air.IMO thats a ot of $$$ and time to find out that the tunnelmay be better than the real thiing. Packing, landing, EP's etc. Personnaly I liked the dope rope and the slow progressionR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #12 November 17, 2012 Quote Hi JM & POPs We're all getting older & the industry continues to evolve The video may be showing the next generation of AFF for locations that are close to a tunnel. AFF 2 A combo of a significant amount of tunnel time ($$$), and some serious ground school with the AFFI's acting as a safety net in the air.IMO thats a ot of $$$ and time to find out that the tunnelmay be better than the real thiing. Packing, landing, EP's etc. Personnaly I liked the dope rope and the slow progressionR. I don't think we're going to see what we saw in that video on a regular basis. That guy was an instructor and probably had countless hours of tunnel time. At the same time, I feel that some tunnel time might be beneficial before going into AFF. There's a lot to keep track of on your first jump already. If you're already comfortable in the air on your belly, at least part of that environment might seem less overwhelming. I put my sister and niece through 7 minutes each in the tunnel before taking them on a tandem jump. They said they thought it have been a lot more scary on the tandem if they hadn't gotten in the tunnel time. Sure air skills are only part of skydiving, and there are a lot of things you don't have to worry about in the tunnel that you do in the sky (Like that big ol' Planet coming up to say "hi" at 120mph...) But the more comfortable you feel with flying, the more attention you'll have to pay to those other things. They're quite a workout too. I just did 15 minutes in one for back flying, and I think I'm probably going to be sore tomorrow. If it were just a bit closer and a bit less expensive I'd hit it a couple times a week just for the exercise! I can't really complain though, since my dropzone is a 10 minute drive from here.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #13 November 18, 2012 Quote I've heard anecdotes of tunnel rats being cocky about safety in our sport, but I haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen cocky students before. Haven't we all? Ya gotta give the guy credit though..he was all over that altimeter!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #14 November 18, 2012 Quote Ya gotta give the guy credit though..he was all over that altimeter! Definitely paying attention to the important stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #15 November 18, 2012 Quote Quote I've heard anecdotes of tunnel rats being cocky about safety in our sport, but I haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen cocky students before. Haven't we all? Ya gotta give the guy credit though..he was all over that altimeter! That's exactly what I noticed as I watched the video. See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 November 18, 2012 Outstanding! Guy was rock solid We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INSANEDADDY 0 #17 November 19, 2012 Don't forget he still has to land that parachute safely..... You dont't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when.......You can only decide how you're going to live........NOW. -BASE 1605 Night BASE 227 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
