StreetScooby 5 #26 March 20, 2013 Quote ..take the use of force continuum from there. What a wonderful phrase. Is there any legal definition behind that?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 March 20, 2013 QuoteQuote ..take the use of force continuum from there. What a wonderful phrase. Is there any legal definition behind that? Yup, think of it like a ladder, for most departments it starts with something like "officer presence" and goes all the way up the rungs from there. I'm sure some of our resident lawyers could give the full version from their side.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #28 March 20, 2013 Quote The reactions did not surprise me. I learned from personal experience that you can be attacked in front of dozens of witnesses, and probably none of the cowards will lift a finger to help you. Being not too bright, I've gone to the rescue for people getting their ass kicked. I've got a nice scar on my chin from one time (out numbered and out gunned) but I think I'd do it all over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #29 March 20, 2013 Quote Quote The reactions did not surprise me. I learned from personal experience that you can be attacked in front of dozens of witnesses, and probably none of the cowards will lift a finger to help you. Being not too bright, I've gone to the rescue for people getting their ass kicked. I've got a nice scar on my chin from one time (out numbered and out gunned) but I think I'd do it all over again. Me too, I have a lot of trouble living with the alternative. What's that saying "Evil prospers, when good men stand by and do nothing" v(or similar)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 March 20, 2013 QuoteThis poor soul cried out time and time again for help but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, not one so much as called. Her assailant wiped the bloody knife off on her lifeless little body. They watched as he simply walked away. Nobody wanted to get involved. Nobody wanted to take a stand... We must fear evil men and deal with them accordingly but what we must truly guard against, what we must fear most Is the indifference of good men. Sure it's from a movie, but it's similar to what you're referencing.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #31 March 20, 2013 Along that line:Yelling fire will get a faster response/help, then yelling rape. That's what's sad. But, are we crossing over from SC??? No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,362 #32 March 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteThis poor soul cried out time and time again for help but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, not one so much as called. Her assailant wiped the bloody knife off on her lifeless little body. They watched as he simply walked away. Nobody wanted to get involved. Nobody wanted to take a stand... We must fear evil men and deal with them accordingly but what we must truly guard against, what we must fear most Is the indifference of good men. Sure it's from a movie, but it's similar to what you're referencing. A reference to this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #33 March 20, 2013 Quote Quote Quote This poor soul cried out time and time again for help but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, not one so much as called. Her assailant wiped the bloody knife off on her lifeless little body. They watched as he simply walked away. Nobody wanted to get involved. Nobody wanted to take a stand... We must fear evil men and deal with them accordingly but what we must truly guard against, what we must fear most Is the indifference of good men. Sure it's from a movie, but it's similar to what you're referencing. A reference to this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese Yup and from the opening scene of The Boondock Saints.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,362 #34 March 20, 2013 I'll be darned. I didn't know that was used in a movie."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #35 March 20, 2013 QuoteI'll be darned. I didn't know that was used in a movie. Put Boondock Saints on your list to watch, cult classic. Very funny/entertaining, but it may take more than one viewing to catch some of the jokes. The sequel, well, not so much.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,362 #36 March 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteI'll be darned. I didn't know that was used in a movie. Put Boondock Saints on your list to watch, cult classic. Very funny/entertaining, but it may take more than one viewing to catch some of the jokes. The sequel, well, not so much. Weird. I've never seen such a huge gap between the "Tomatometer" and "Audience" ratings. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/boondock_saints/#contentReviews"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #37 March 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'll be darned. I didn't know that was used in a movie. Put Boondock Saints on your list to watch, cult classic. Very funny/entertaining, but it may take more than one viewing to catch some of the jokes. The sequel, well, not so much. Weird. I've never seen such a huge gap between the "Tomatometer" and "Audience" ratings. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/boondock_saints/#contentReviews That's because it isn't a "good" movie, it is however a cult classic and a fun watch.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #38 March 20, 2013 Quote Quote I'll be darned. I didn't know that was used in a movie. Put Boondock Saints on your list to watch, cult classic. Very funny/entertaining, but it may take more than one viewing to catch some of the jokes. The sequel, well, not so much. +1 You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jono 0 #39 March 20, 2013 [reply These sorts of pranks could get someone hurt or killed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfVmqhuMWP4 Remember you don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,329 #40 March 20, 2013 QuoteQuote ..take the use of force continuum from there. What a wonderful phrase. Is there any legal definition behind that? Here's a boilerplate version: http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-force/continuum.htm It gives a nice defense against "excessive use of force" complaints because it starts off with a minimum and escalates. It gives a "Stop it or else" kind of thing, and gives guidelines on what "Or else" means. It's one of the nicer results of the LAPD vs Rodney King bout."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #41 March 21, 2013 Quote Quote Quote What if you come upon a murder in progress? Quite a spread of reactions in this video. SFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo6Jzh7SHRA I hope they understand the level of risk they take doing that. I thought the fire extinguished was a nice touch but that could have easily become a blunt weapon applied to the assailants skull. What do you think- not done in the States or someplace with no CCW permits? Not to get it sent to SC...but anyone with a CCW permit should know you don't open fire on that. Who's to say who the actual victim is & who the perp is...maybe the vic had just turned the tables on the bad guy...then ya shoot him? Bad plan Exactly. You have no idea who is the actual bad guy. I loved the fire extinguisher and the dude who took the pic with his phone. I would do one of those 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutumbo 0 #42 March 24, 2013 Quote Quote Quote These sorts of pranks could get someone hurt or killed. Agreed. And for what? I don't think the video provided any real insight into human nature. The reactions did not surprise me. I learned from personal experience that you can be attacked in front of dozens of witnesses, and probably none of the cowards will lift a finger to help you. Its called diffusion of responsibility. Especially in larger groups, Everyone assumes/expects/diverts responsibility to someone eles and nothing gets done. Basic psychology. Unfortunately.Thanatos340(on landing rounds)-- Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #43 March 24, 2013 Quote Its called diffusion of responsibility. Especially in larger groups, Everyone assumes/expects/diverts responsibility to someone eles and nothing gets done. Basic psychology. Unfortunately. That's too bad, since the group would be more effective than an individual. One time jumping into an uneven fight to help out some kid, I was running over to help and, when I looked over my shoulder, his buddies were going the other way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #44 March 24, 2013 Quote One time jumping into an uneven fight to help out some kid, I was running over to help and, when I looked over my shoulder, his buddies were going the other way. Crazy And, what did you learn from that experience? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutumbo 0 #45 March 24, 2013 Quote Quote Its called diffusion of responsibility. Especially in larger groups, Everyone assumes/expects/diverts responsibility to someone eles and nothing gets done. Basic psychology. Unfortunately. That's too bad, since the group would be more effective than an individual. One time jumping into an uneven fight to help out some kid, I was running over to help and, when I looked over my shoulder, his buddies were going the other way. Figures. Thanatos340(on landing rounds)-- Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #46 March 25, 2013 Quote Quote One time jumping into an uneven fight to help out some kid, I was running over to help and, when I looked over my shoulder, his buddies were going the other way. Crazy And, what did you learn from that experience? To still do the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #47 March 25, 2013 Say "'scuse me." and pick up any loose change rolling around.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites