RMURRAY 1 #26 December 2, 2004 I contacted Precision and my Raven-M is approved to use PD Reserve Slinks... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #27 December 3, 2004 What country do you hold a riggers certificate in? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #28 December 3, 2004 Precision was the only mfg. that approved the use of the PD SR-1 with the Raven & Dash M reserves. Few years ago I checked with 2 more mfg. for replacing the #5 links with PD SR-1 slinks which were the only TSO'd Reserve Slinks & the answer of BOTH mfg. was NO, we did not test it so we can not apporved the change. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #29 December 3, 2004 QuoteFew years ago I checked with 2 more mfg. for replacing the #5 links with PD SR-1 slinks which were the only TSO'd Reserve Slinks & the answer of BOTH mfg. was NO, we did not test it so we can not apporved the change. That was a few years ago, by your admission. Have you contacted them lately to find out their stance?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #30 December 3, 2004 I am gathering information now and will hopefully have some answers in the next coupla weeks. I have written proof that PD Slinks and Aerodyne's P1487-01 Soft Links are TSOd as separate components under C23d. I am waiting on a response from Precision regarding their Wrap-It Links. Once I get that response I will send a shotgun email to all of the US reserve canopy manufacturers requesting written approval to install each type of link, by name, on their line of reserve parachutes. I will post the results here when I get them. If the information is usable for everyone, I will pass it to Terry Urban as well.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #31 December 3, 2004 It was about 2-3 years ago. Mean time one mfg. have his own Soft Links & the other still says NO but working on his Soft Links. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #32 December 3, 2004 I'd love to see the letters from the manufactors reguarding their stance on using Slinks be added to the DZ.com document archive so if a rigger needs to come along latter and show the FAA... the document is right there for him to print Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #33 December 3, 2004 QuoteI'd love to see the letters from the manufactors reguarding their stance on using Slinks be added to the DZ.com document archive so if a rigger needs to come along latter and show the FAA... the document is right there for him to print I'm working on exactly that, regarding the PD Slink, Precision Wrap-It Link, and the Aerodyne P1487-01 Soft Link. First I wanted to confirm that each of those had been approved under TSO C23d as a separate component. So far the answer is yes (in writing) from both PD and Aerodyne. Waiting to hear from Precision via email. Once I confirm that, I will ask each US reserve manufacturer to approve (or disapprove) each of those links (by name) as being compatible with their reserves (by name). If it works out like I hope it does, I will share it here and wherever it might benefit the rigging community. BTW - if there are any other soft links manufactured in the US, please let me know the details and I'll try and include them. As far as componnents outside the US, I'll let someone in those geographic areas tackle this project for their rigging community.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #34 December 3, 2004 Flight Concepts makes a softlink also.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #35 December 3, 2004 I emailed Flight Concepts about their "Cinch Links" as well. Thanks, Erk.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #36 December 3, 2004 Please look at my profile. The issue has nothing to do with the rigger country of origin. It is basic in our work. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #37 December 3, 2004 The regulations are different in different countries. If your certificate was issued by the same authority as mine, it would be easier to tell if we are on the same page. From your profile I will assume you do not hold a riggers certificate issued by the FAA (US) and I am not familiar with the regulations in Israel. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #38 December 3, 2004 QuoteFlight Concepts makes a softlink also. As well ad HiPerUSA : http://www.hiperusa.com/softlink.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #39 December 3, 2004 That website quotes the HiPer Link as being intended for main canopies.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #40 December 3, 2004 QuoteThe issue has nothing to do with the rigger country of origin. It is basic in our work. OK, if we aren't looking at the FAR's, then explain to me how using #4 or #5 Rapide Links on a reserve is safer than PD's Slinks? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #41 December 3, 2004 QuoteMean time one mfg. have his own Soft Links & the other still says NO but working on his Soft Links. Would you please be more specific? Which manufacturer and what brand of links?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cssriggers 0 #42 December 4, 2004 THANK YOU for your efforts on this issue. We'd love to put soft links on as many reserves as possible. We've been (legally) putting SR-1's on PD and Prec. reserves for some years; looking forward to hearing the results of your inquirys to other manufacturers.Alpha Mike Foxtrot, JHL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 558 #43 December 4, 2004 QuoteI emailed Flight Concepts about their "Cinch Links" as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last time I spoke with Red Payne, he said that "Cinch Links" were not approved for reserves. That was a year ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RIGGER 0 #44 December 4, 2004 *** OK, if we aren't looking at the FAR's, then explain to me how using #4 or #5 Rapide Links on a reserve is safer than PD's Slinks? Quote I always said that PD SR-1 slinks are much better then the #4 or #5 metal links when set correctly. I said that you can not use # 4 links even being TSO'd by PD on the PR on a reserve which was TSO'd with #5 links. Take a situation that a Rigger found a damaged #5 SS link on a reserve with Spectra lines which was TSO'd ONLY with #5 SS metal links, he does not have #5 SS links in stock but have a set (4) of PD #4 TSO'd links with Silicone bumpers - Should he remove all #5 links & replace with the #4 kit (TSO'd by PD) ??? NO !!! The Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! The only way is mailing the Reserve Mfg. & ask for the Approval, they might say NO with their reasons & they might say wait we are sending you a kit of #5 links. Does a Rigger can use Aerodyne Soft Links on a PD Reserve ? NO WAY !!! PD SR-1 slinks are made from 1500 lb. Spectra line tested by PD & Aerodyne Soft Links are made from 1000 lb. Dyneema line. My final position is that a Rigger must ask the Approval of the Reserve mfg. for changing the links he TSO'd. Even if PD, Aerodyne & Precision which TSO'd the Soft Links as an item are saying you can use their Soft Links on other mfg. reserve the Rigger still needs the other Mfg. Approval. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites precision 0 #45 December 4, 2004 Look forward to reviewing the information on tensile strength comparisons. *** Although the attached comparison doesn't include Mallion Rapide Links, here are some typical comparative breaking points of "PD Reserve Slinks" and "Precision Wrap-It Links" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #46 December 4, 2004 Thanks, George. I can't open that file here at home (I don't have MS Excel here), but I will look at it carefully at work on Monday. I had sent Precision an email regarding this issue: are the Wrap-It Links approved under TSO C23d as a separate component?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #47 December 4, 2004 QuoteThe Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! Why? Why should we use #4 or #5 Rapide links when Slinks are stronger? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #48 December 4, 2004 Thank You, George.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #49 December 4, 2004 Here ya go, John. Converted it to a .jpg for you and others.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 93 #50 December 5, 2004 For all riggers that disapprove of the use of Slinks or other, reserve TSO'd brand links for brand X reserves: Do you refuse to pack a rig that comes to you already in that condition? I think there are VERY few riggers that will not repack a rig because of this. So, riggers by their collective action are using their license to determine compatibility to outweigh any supposed requirements of reserve or cotainer mfg. That's just the way that it is....People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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slotperfect 7 #39 December 3, 2004 That website quotes the HiPer Link as being intended for main canopies.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #40 December 3, 2004 QuoteThe issue has nothing to do with the rigger country of origin. It is basic in our work. OK, if we aren't looking at the FAR's, then explain to me how using #4 or #5 Rapide Links on a reserve is safer than PD's Slinks? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #41 December 3, 2004 QuoteMean time one mfg. have his own Soft Links & the other still says NO but working on his Soft Links. Would you please be more specific? Which manufacturer and what brand of links?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cssriggers 0 #42 December 4, 2004 THANK YOU for your efforts on this issue. We'd love to put soft links on as many reserves as possible. We've been (legally) putting SR-1's on PD and Prec. reserves for some years; looking forward to hearing the results of your inquirys to other manufacturers.Alpha Mike Foxtrot, JHL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #43 December 4, 2004 QuoteI emailed Flight Concepts about their "Cinch Links" as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last time I spoke with Red Payne, he said that "Cinch Links" were not approved for reserves. That was a year ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RIGGER 0 #44 December 4, 2004 *** OK, if we aren't looking at the FAR's, then explain to me how using #4 or #5 Rapide Links on a reserve is safer than PD's Slinks? Quote I always said that PD SR-1 slinks are much better then the #4 or #5 metal links when set correctly. I said that you can not use # 4 links even being TSO'd by PD on the PR on a reserve which was TSO'd with #5 links. Take a situation that a Rigger found a damaged #5 SS link on a reserve with Spectra lines which was TSO'd ONLY with #5 SS metal links, he does not have #5 SS links in stock but have a set (4) of PD #4 TSO'd links with Silicone bumpers - Should he remove all #5 links & replace with the #4 kit (TSO'd by PD) ??? NO !!! The Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! The only way is mailing the Reserve Mfg. & ask for the Approval, they might say NO with their reasons & they might say wait we are sending you a kit of #5 links. Does a Rigger can use Aerodyne Soft Links on a PD Reserve ? NO WAY !!! PD SR-1 slinks are made from 1500 lb. Spectra line tested by PD & Aerodyne Soft Links are made from 1000 lb. Dyneema line. My final position is that a Rigger must ask the Approval of the Reserve mfg. for changing the links he TSO'd. Even if PD, Aerodyne & Precision which TSO'd the Soft Links as an item are saying you can use their Soft Links on other mfg. reserve the Rigger still needs the other Mfg. Approval. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites precision 0 #45 December 4, 2004 Look forward to reviewing the information on tensile strength comparisons. *** Although the attached comparison doesn't include Mallion Rapide Links, here are some typical comparative breaking points of "PD Reserve Slinks" and "Precision Wrap-It Links" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #46 December 4, 2004 Thanks, George. I can't open that file here at home (I don't have MS Excel here), but I will look at it carefully at work on Monday. I had sent Precision an email regarding this issue: are the Wrap-It Links approved under TSO C23d as a separate component?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #47 December 4, 2004 QuoteThe Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! Why? Why should we use #4 or #5 Rapide links when Slinks are stronger? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #48 December 4, 2004 Thank You, George.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #49 December 4, 2004 Here ya go, John. Converted it to a .jpg for you and others.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 93 #50 December 5, 2004 For all riggers that disapprove of the use of Slinks or other, reserve TSO'd brand links for brand X reserves: Do you refuse to pack a rig that comes to you already in that condition? I think there are VERY few riggers that will not repack a rig because of this. So, riggers by their collective action are using their license to determine compatibility to outweigh any supposed requirements of reserve or cotainer mfg. That's just the way that it is....People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
RIGGER 0 #44 December 4, 2004 *** OK, if we aren't looking at the FAR's, then explain to me how using #4 or #5 Rapide Links on a reserve is safer than PD's Slinks? Quote I always said that PD SR-1 slinks are much better then the #4 or #5 metal links when set correctly. I said that you can not use # 4 links even being TSO'd by PD on the PR on a reserve which was TSO'd with #5 links. Take a situation that a Rigger found a damaged #5 SS link on a reserve with Spectra lines which was TSO'd ONLY with #5 SS metal links, he does not have #5 SS links in stock but have a set (4) of PD #4 TSO'd links with Silicone bumpers - Should he remove all #5 links & replace with the #4 kit (TSO'd by PD) ??? NO !!! The Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! The only way is mailing the Reserve Mfg. & ask for the Approval, they might say NO with their reasons & they might say wait we are sending you a kit of #5 links. Does a Rigger can use Aerodyne Soft Links on a PD Reserve ? NO WAY !!! PD SR-1 slinks are made from 1500 lb. Spectra line tested by PD & Aerodyne Soft Links are made from 1000 lb. Dyneema line. My final position is that a Rigger must ask the Approval of the Reserve mfg. for changing the links he TSO'd. Even if PD, Aerodyne & Precision which TSO'd the Soft Links as an item are saying you can use their Soft Links on other mfg. reserve the Rigger still needs the other Mfg. Approval. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites precision 0 #45 December 4, 2004 Look forward to reviewing the information on tensile strength comparisons. *** Although the attached comparison doesn't include Mallion Rapide Links, here are some typical comparative breaking points of "PD Reserve Slinks" and "Precision Wrap-It Links" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #46 December 4, 2004 Thanks, George. I can't open that file here at home (I don't have MS Excel here), but I will look at it carefully at work on Monday. I had sent Precision an email regarding this issue: are the Wrap-It Links approved under TSO C23d as a separate component?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #47 December 4, 2004 QuoteThe Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! Why? Why should we use #4 or #5 Rapide links when Slinks are stronger? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #48 December 4, 2004 Thank You, George.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,050 #49 December 4, 2004 Here ya go, John. Converted it to a .jpg for you and others.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 93 #50 December 5, 2004 For all riggers that disapprove of the use of Slinks or other, reserve TSO'd brand links for brand X reserves: Do you refuse to pack a rig that comes to you already in that condition? I think there are VERY few riggers that will not repack a rig because of this. So, riggers by their collective action are using their license to determine compatibility to outweigh any supposed requirements of reserve or cotainer mfg. That's just the way that it is....People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
precision 0 #45 December 4, 2004 Look forward to reviewing the information on tensile strength comparisons. *** Although the attached comparison doesn't include Mallion Rapide Links, here are some typical comparative breaking points of "PD Reserve Slinks" and "Precision Wrap-It Links" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #46 December 4, 2004 Thanks, George. I can't open that file here at home (I don't have MS Excel here), but I will look at it carefully at work on Monday. I had sent Precision an email regarding this issue: are the Wrap-It Links approved under TSO C23d as a separate component?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #47 December 4, 2004 QuoteThe Rigger have a kit of PD SR-1 slinks which are much better, Should he use that kit ? NO !!! Why? Why should we use #4 or #5 Rapide links when Slinks are stronger? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,050 #48 December 4, 2004 Thank You, George.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,050 #49 December 4, 2004 Here ya go, John. Converted it to a .jpg for you and others.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 93 #50 December 5, 2004 For all riggers that disapprove of the use of Slinks or other, reserve TSO'd brand links for brand X reserves: Do you refuse to pack a rig that comes to you already in that condition? I think there are VERY few riggers that will not repack a rig because of this. So, riggers by their collective action are using their license to determine compatibility to outweigh any supposed requirements of reserve or cotainer mfg. That's just the way that it is....People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
