regulator 0 #1 November 5, 2013 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55c_1383668264 Why weren't they trying to pull him in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #2 November 5, 2013 He gave the "I'm OK" signal (hands on helmet). Once he is cut free, he is supposed to release his reserve."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jono 0 #3 November 6, 2013 regulator http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55c_1383668264 Why weren't they trying to pull him in? Is that possible??? Fully kitted up jumper plus wind drag would make it damn hard to haul him in on a what looks like 1inch webbing I would think. BSBD Remember you don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #4 November 6, 2013 If he gives the "I'm OK" signal (which he did), they normally won't try to retrieve the towed jumper. If he appeared unable or knocked out, they probably would've tried harder to get him back in the bird."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 November 6, 2013 Yeah, he was doing everything right while being towed. My question is why didn't they cut him away sooner?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #6 November 6, 2013 I was going to ask that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #7 November 6, 2013 jono ***http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55c_1383668264 Why weren't they trying to pull him in? Is that possible??? Fully kitted up jumper plus wind drag would make it damn hard to haul him in on a what looks like 1inch webbing I would think. BSBD Yes, it is possible if you have a static line retrieval device on the anchor line cable. All US static line military jump approved aircraft have them. However, at the 3:05 mark it can be seen that said device was not present on the anchor line cable. It does look like early on those in the aircraft tried to pull him by hand. You can see this by the way the jumper moves closer to the ramp and also begins to buffet around in and out of the airstream in the same manner D bags buffet around when you pull them back into the aircraft. To backtrack, the jumpmaster should have stopped the rest of the stick from exiting once he had a towed jumper. Instead he let several more exit the aircraft. Not seeing or knowing what was going on in the aircraft, it is hard to guess why it took so long for them to cut him away. It could be as simple as the JM didn't have a knife on him and they had to find one in the aircraft or it could have been due to human error in the JM making a timely decision as they tried to manually drag him in. There could be several things but it would be speculation at best. From what we can see, it appears the jumper didn't attempt to deploy his reserve and that could be in part to his spinning around outside all that time and being disoriented and scared."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #8 November 6, 2013 Scott, Are they using the Canadian retrieval system on US aircraft? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #9 November 6, 2013 LouDiamond From what we can see, it appears the jumper didn't attempt to deploy his reserve and that could be in part to his spinning around outside all that time and being disoriented and scared. sucks. Stick with the play book. Jumper in tow, conscious, cut the static line . . now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #10 November 6, 2013 mjosparkyScott, Are they using the Canadian retrieval system on US aircraft? Sparky No, we use a system that is attached to the anchor line cable itself and is used to also help pull all the D bags in as it is next to impossible for a JM to pull in 30 bags on a high performance aircraft. Smaller airframes use a similar system, it's basically a winch system."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #11 November 6, 2013 LouDiamond ******http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55c_1383668264 Why weren't they trying to pull him in? Is that possible??? Fully kitted up jumper plus wind drag would make it damn hard to haul him in on a what looks like 1inch webbing I would think. BSBD Yes, it is possible if you have a static line retrieval device on the anchor line cable. All US static line military jump approved aircraft have them. However, at the 3:05 mark it can be seen that said device was not present on the anchor line cable. It does look like early on those in the aircraft tried to pull him by hand. You can see this by the way the jumper moves closer to the ramp and also begins to buffet around in and out of the airstream in the same manner D bags buffet around when you pull them back into the aircraft. To backtrack, the jumpmaster should have stopped the rest of the stick from exiting once he had a towed jumper. Instead he let several more exit the aircraft. Not seeing or knowing what was going on in the aircraft, it is hard to guess why it took so long for them to cut him away. It could be as simple as the JM didn't have a knife on him and they had to find one in the aircraft or it could have been due to human error in the JM making a timely decision as they tried to manually drag him in. There could be several things but it would be speculation at best. From what we can see, it appears the jumper didn't attempt to deploy his reserve and that could be in part to his spinning around outside all that time and being disoriented and scared. It kinda looks like they did a full go around and were trying to spot him with the rest of his outfit.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #12 November 6, 2013 My guess WRT the delay was that once they knew he was alert, they wanted to climb to give him some extra altitude to execute his EPs after cutaway. At a couple points in the video it looks like he's with it and his bellywart is clear of the ball of shit hanging around him. I guess that after they cut him loose, it didn't stay that way. Elvisio "damn" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 November 7, 2013 Looked like they were trying for altitude to me. BSBD When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #14 November 13, 2013 GRAPHIC VIDEO!! http://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/parachute-jumping/thai-paratrooper-lands-in-neighborhood/2835653243001/ Not 100% sure it's him, but the description pretty much lines up."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #15 November 13, 2013 WTF, Why in the world would they need the widow to ID the body? In the "field," no less. That's just wrong on so many levels. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #16 November 14, 2013 theonlyskiGRAPHIC VIDEO!! http://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/parachute-jumping/thai-paratrooper-lands-in-neighborhood/2835653243001/ Not 100% sure it's him, but the description pretty much lines up. Thats not the same guy. The deceased in this video is wearing a freefall rig, the towed jumper in the first video was jumping a static line rig."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
