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kallend

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Me too, except for that "getting up early" thing anymore. B|

Considering cause and effect, I think the habits build wealth, not the wealth building habits. I was taught frugality and self-dependence by my parents. It's paid off well.

I'm not surprised at all about the reading. It's the key to so many things in life.

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"They make their children volunteer", huh?
Brilliant. Force them to do something while pretending it is voluntary.
If they have to "make" them, it isn't volunteering.
Doublethink. Teach it to em young.
-B
Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

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Without quantifying the definition of "rich" that article is pointless.

People in San Francisco sit around and read a lot because they are all "house poor" buried in their over-priced/under-water mortgages and can't go anywhere since BART is always on strike.
NSCR-2376, SCR-15080

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Most of the rich people I've known and met lived frugal lifestyles and invested money for decades, started companies designed to grow exponentially, and/or were early employees at such companies.

Reading, getting up early, exercising, etc. didn't have much to do with it.

swisschris62

What actually defines rich?



You can live a decent lifestyle indefinitely without another pay check. Other definitions tend to confuse income with wealth.

Ideally you have more than you need to do that and can give some to your children to allow them to pursue whatever career they want regardless of the compensation which goes with it.

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Kinda f'ed up huh?



No, becoming rich by the time you grow old is prudent in a country where Social Security can replace less than 1/3 of a higher earning person's income and is likely to become means tested because most people would rather buy expensive crap like bigger houses.

You can do that as a public servant - the people retiring at 55 with a $90K pension have an annuity worth somewhat over $2M at current prices.

You can do that on your own - $1000/month into tax advantaged retirement accounts will get you $1M of current dollars in 28 years (assuming historic S&P 500 7% real returns with dividends reinvested) and let you draw $40K/year. Another decade will double your million and practical draw.

$1K/month is only a little more than average sized car payments for a couple.

Saving more is a prudent hedge against market declines and early retirement due to sickness, injury, age discrimination, etc.

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Hi Drew,

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retiring at 55 with a $90K pension



I guess you have not heard of Mike Belloti, former football coach at the University of Oregon.

He is retired on $44,000/month.

How about dem apples?????

JerryBaumchen

PS) And because he divorced his wife before he retired she gets $5,000/month. Then, after he retired, he remarried her and she still gets the $5K/mo. And it doesn't come out of his retirement. Oh, and COLA's are included with those numbers.

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Sorry, I can't wrap my head around that stuff.
My wife is smarter when it comes to that stuff.
I know our numbers are no where near that nor do I think they need to be, but that's just me.
My land is payed for, my house on a seperate property is 3 years away from being paid off, we have about 200g in stock ( which gained about 30g this year bringing it back around where it was) and my wife has her 401k at work with another 100g or so ( she is a public servant, school, and has 3 years left. Her pension isn't paying 44g a month though.
Oh and my truck and trailer are fully paid off.
I plan on slowing it down in the next few years.
Maybe I'm totally fooling myself but I think we will be ok. I never really want to quit work altogether just maybe scale it back and go on the road during the warm weather months.
Hell I actually thought we were doing pretty good.

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JohnMitchell

Me too, except for that "getting up early" thing anymore. B|

Considering cause and effect, I think the habits build wealth, not the wealth building habits. I was taught frugality and self-dependence by my parents. It's paid off well.

I'm not surprised at all about the reading. It's the key to so many things in life.



I don't see any cause and effect suggested. Just observations.
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normiss

He referred to a couple's car payments.
A couple newer cars could easily top $1000 a month for some folks these days.



True but those who choose to make those kind of car payments the majority of their life generally are not on a path to building any true wealth. Even if the car dealer did convince them it was "zero" percent interest in some cases.

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