JohnMitchell 14 #1 July 11, 2015 How many of you have read the article on this in July's Parachutist? I first heard of this effect maybe 3 years ago and it answered so many frustrating questions I had had in 3 decades of working for the FAA ("Why doesn't that person realize they SUCK at their job??") And, like the article asks, can you remember back to when "you didn't know what you didn't know"? And aren't you glad you made it thru that phase? Of course, Wikipedia has a good article on it too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect It all takes me back to one of my favorite quotes of all time: The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. – Bertrand Russell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #2 July 11, 2015 A good friend sent me a link to the original paper many years ago. I think it was shortly after the paper had been published. It explains sooo much about the idiocy I suffered through too many years in the corporate world.ETA: I just found my copy of the paper, dated 1999. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmarshall234 13 #3 July 11, 2015 I commented on it here in 2011 under the subject line Risk Management and Patty Wagstaff. I would create a clicky to take you there quickly, but I didn't know how to make one then and still haven't learned. Very interesting stuff and as you point out, it answers a lot of questions. Which is very helpful to me these days because....I used to have a lot of answers and now all I have is questions. Nice quote, I think I'll hang on to that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #4 July 11, 2015 Hi John, Quote 3 decades of working for the FAA We both spent 30 yrs with the feds. We know all about this problem intimately. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 July 12, 2015 have not got it yet is there an article by Wainrite Squeakster You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #6 July 14, 2015 The title of the original paper is great: "Unskilled and Unaware". I've been on both sides of this in the past... and likely will be in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 0 #7 July 17, 2015 So, if I'm in over my head - I can hope there's a clear-head guy who'll prove that to me. Good. It is far more difficult proving to a really skilled jumper that they're overestimating their student. Especially when you're a student in question. Just by trying - you diminish yourself (in their minds). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #8 July 18, 2015 format It is far more difficult proving to a really skilled jumper that they're overestimating their student. Especially when you're a student in question. Just by trying - you diminish yourself (in their minds). I think what you're trying to say is that a good jumper may overestimate the skills of over jumpers. I think I've done that when organizing skydives. As far as working with students or coaching, I plan for the best but I'm ready for the worst. I often "rewrite the game plan" while in freefall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
