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>This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two

Kallend equated the two by claiming his drone had this function so it was reasonable to expect aircraft to be required to have it. If you say it's foolish to equate those two things (which I agree with) then your argument is with him.

In any case, my objection to such a system is not that it is "inappropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations" or any such. It is:

1) Iit won't do anything to reduce airplane crashes or save lives. Proof of that is, in part, that:
2) This aircraft had such a system (didn't help) and
3) Such a system, even if working correctly, would not have saved any lives in any incidents that I can think of in the past 20 years.

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I just heard on the news the Malaysian government has asked the relatives to attend the press conference or be somewhere they can watch/listen to the upcoming announcement. I'm really hoping they're about to get an answer to the status of their loved ones.

New sightings of "debris" by lower flying aircraft (as opposed to satellites) seems somewhat hopeful as they reporting more specific colors, shapes, etc.

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I've used google maps to see if a sub division has centralized mail boxes for residents or boxes outside each home.



Are you under the impression those pictures were taken from space?



Are they not?

I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images)

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Are you under the impression those pictures were taken from space?


Are they not?
I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images)



Google Earth / Google Maps is a mis-mash of imagery. Everything from satellites to low-flying aircraft. The best satellite imagery on it is maybe 1 meter per pixel in most areas (maybe 0.5 meters in some selected cities), which would be pretty useless for a mailbox survey. In areas with a higher interest, there might be slightly better resolution from low-flying aircraft, but usually not. The "worst" resolution is typically the ocean, which in a lot of cases isn't imaged at all, but simply simulated since there's nothing there to see anyway.
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Are you under the impression those pictures were taken from space?


Are they not?
I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images)



Google Earth / Google Maps is a mis-mash of imagery. Everything from satellites to low-flying aircraft. The best satellite imagery on it is maybe 1 meter per pixel in most areas (maybe 0.5 meters in some selected cities), which would be pretty useless for a mailbox survey. In areas with a higher interest, there might be slightly better resolution from low-flying aircraft, but usually not. The "worst" resolution is typically the ocean, which in a lot of cases isn't imaged at all, but simply simulated since there's nothing there to see anyway.

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>My drone has a GPS tracker on it. Reports to a ground station connected to my
>iPAD. And that's just to save a grand or so in case it flies away. If I owned a 777
>I'd definitely want a GPS tracker on it.

Probably a good decision. The owners of this aircraft had the same option.

Would you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website?



No, but neither do I carry 200+ people on my drone.

It just seems a sensible thing to do that is inexpensive to implement.
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>This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two

Kallend equated the two by claiming his drone had this function so it was reasonable to expect aircraft to be required to have it. If you say it's foolish to equate those two things (which I agree with) then your argument is with him.

In any case, my objection to such a system is not that it is "inappropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations" or any such. It is:

1) Iit won't do anything to reduce airplane crashes or save lives. Proof of that is, in part, that:
2) This aircraft had such a system (didn't help) and
3) Such a system, even if working correctly, would not have saved any lives in any incidents that I can think of in the past 20 years.



Recovering the remains of crashed aircraft so they can be examined to figure out what's wrong has in the past saved many lives. That's one of the reasons for requiring flight data and voice recorders on scheduled airline service aircraft. Just because they don't save that particular aircraft doesn't mean they don't save lives down the road.

You can't examine the remains of a crash if you can't find the remains. There was, for example, a design flaw in the Comets that was not discovered until after the remains of one were recovered from the sea floor.

Until MH370 is recovered and examined there is no way to know if there's a problem that can be addressed in the rest of the B777 fleet.

The technology for a floating, detachable GPS tracker exists. If MH370 had such a thing the chances are very good that we'd already know where it went down. As it is the search has so far cost in excess of $50 MILLION and not turned up anything.

"We're not searching for a needle in a haystack," Mark Binskin, vice chief of the Australian Defence Force, told reporters. "We're still trying to find where the haystack is."
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***Here -

This just in =

They have found the plane,


It was right next to Nemo.


Waldo was.holding a few pieces.

Carmen Sandiego was marking the spot.
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Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Holy mother of God.

They're never going to find it, are they?
Always be kinder than you feel.

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Holy mother of God.

They're never going to find it, are they?

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Those days were my favorite in the Navy.

Sigh.

I miss the hard weather cruises.
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Equipped with a ROV? Where does that Comment come from?
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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If they don't find the jet before the black box stops pinging, they may never find it. Remember the Titanic? That thing was four city blocks long, had sent out position signals, was stationary on calm water while it was sinking, and eluded discovery for 73 years.

Now the equipment we have today for underwater explorations is much better than what was available to Robert Ballard in 1985, but still...they had a basic starting point. With 370, if they can't narrow it down it's going to make any post-black-box-ping discovery nearly impossible.

I think eventually that some evidence will wash up somewhere on a beach or two, and then we will know for sure that it went down. But that could take years, maybe decades. And even if they discover something floating in the water before the batteries run out on that black box, tracing back to an impact point after so many days is going to be nothing more than a rough guess. I don't think they'll EVER find it.


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>If they don't find the jet before the black box stops pinging, they may never find it.

Dunno about that - they found both the CVR and FDR on the Air France flight over two years after the crash. However they had a better idea of the original crash location.

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