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wolfriverjoe


The only one I can think of is the Air France from 09. It went down in the middle of the Atlantic.



It's my understanding that in that incident the ACARS sp? system released an avalanche of data to the satellites. Air France knew where that plane was very quickly. How to recover it was the major problem. The voice recording from that black box will keep you awake at night.

Here it is disabled completely. And can be from the cockpit.

There is a crazy not so crazy series of news stories about how the ACARS system can actually be hijacked electronically using a honeywell keypad and various other components readily available as used parts. The Russians may have developed this capacity. I'm not well enough informed to fully understand that or how commands can be entered or uploaded into the flight control computer. I would simply like to know where this plane is and what happened to it. At this point the only real answer is "who knows what happened"

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SoCalJumper


***And you still haven't answered how many plane crashes this would have helped with.



If you can change history answer your own question to your own satisfaction I see it as a question unable to be answered.

I can't change history, but I can learn from it.

I can see that applying this sort of technology as a requirement wouldn't have any real benefit.

So why do it?
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no real US involvement in flight operations with a national airline and we have the informed explaining away Malaysia's inadequacies from an American point of view. Unsure but maybe that guy is Canadian. Tongue not to insult any Canadians btw by saying they're Texans.



Really?

Gee...where was the aircraft built?
Who trained Pilots & the maintenance people?
What language is it again that's used on the radios?

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no real US involvement in flight operations with a national airline and we have the informed explaining away Malaysia's inadequacies from an American point of view. Unsure but maybe that guy is Canadian. Tongue not to insult any Canadians btw by saying they're Texans.



Really?

Gee...where was the aircraft built?
Who trained Pilots & the maintenance people?
What language is it again that's used on the radios?

~ & a lotta So.Cal. peeps have moved to Texas...taxes are 1/3 of CA. ~ if that doesn't matter to ya...prolly need a better job ;) --- PLUS when you trade in your CA. drivers license, they give ya a free gun! B|



It's not as if I am uninformed. I do understand. While I have put forth more of an idealistic viewpoint you've been more practical. It is honestly not that huge of a difference. I doubt your against technological advancements. This situation highlights certain technological areas which could be vastly improved upon.

It has even been speculated that the cabin was unoccupied to deal with an electrical fire which disabled many systems and both pilots were locked out of the cabin. The plane then flew on auto-pilot until it crashed. Highly unlikely IMO but the not knowing close to anything a full 2 weeks after it went missing is extraordinary. IMO which I do not have a problem saying. I do not know... it's not my field.

However I see what is done here often on dropzone.com, ask foolish questions of a poster, vet the person making the comments, make them into a fool. That grates against me.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/21/world/asia/airplane-safety-changes/

"Opponents, however, are not ready to welcome Big Brother in the sky. Many pilots -- and unions that represents them -- worry about an invasion of privacy."

In this day and age I believe a 300 million dollar investment for a single aircraft which transports the lives of 250+ people the personal privacy of the pilots while ON THE JOB should matter little if at all.

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billvon

>Aircraft regulation though is regulation for people not able to make a personal
>decision on whether or not the airlines will put this or that piece of safety
>equipment on-board.

OK, so all tandems should have an AAD on the main and the reserve and a GPS tracker. The big skydiving gear companies can certainly afford it, and if it saves just one life . .

>A person gets on an airplane and for the most part doesn't have a clue as to its
>maintenance, crew training, safety equipment -- THAT is what regulation is for.

What good does it do him?



My drone has a GPS tracker on it. Reports to a ground station connected to my iPAD. And that's just to save a grand or so in case it flies away.

If I owned a 777 I'd definitely want a GPS tracker on it.
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SoCalJumper



There is a crazy not so crazy series of news stories about how the ACARS system can actually be hijacked electronically using a honeywell keypad and various other components readily available as used parts. The Russians may have developed this capacity.



OK, reach for the aluminum foil: Putin is responsible. He did it to distract media attention from his Crimea Adventure.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Why nothing from US satellites? Aren't they more numerous, and more capable, than the stuff the French and Chinese have?

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend



Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Why nothing from US satellites? Aren't they more numerous, and more capable, than the stuff the French and Chinese have?

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort



I'm assuming most of ours are arrayed in space over and around the US. And the ones that are not, are top secret spy satellites we don't want others to know about. :P
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Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Why nothing from US satellites? Aren't they more numerous, and more capable, than the stuff the French and Chinese have?

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort



I'm assuming most of ours are arrayed in space over and around the US. And the ones that are not, are top secret spy satellites we don't want others to know about. :P

"Oh hey guys, here is detailed 0.1m resolution maps of Southern China and the oceans around it..."

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kallend



Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean.

Why nothing from US satellites? Aren't they more numerous, and more capable, than the stuff the French and Chinese have?

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort



I'm assuming we have, but degraded and through back channels so as to not completely reveal how good the military optics are.
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quade

degraded and through back channels so as to not completely reveal how good the military optics are.



yeah we wouldn't want to reveal that the US has capabilities far better than Google maps. :S

Not criticizing you just thinking about it. If anything I think countries in the region DO NOT have the capabilities of Google. >:( :o :)

I've used google maps to see if a sub division has centralized mail boxes for residents or boxes outside each home.

The thinking seems cold warish nowadays.

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My guess is that our capabilities are good enough to have already spotted hundreds (if not thousands) of objects, and good enough to have identified them as "not relevant" to this search. i.e., good enough to not send ships & planes on 1500-mile wild goose chases in crappy conditions for what might be a 40 year old discarded mattress or a seaweed patch. No point mentioning any sightings that have nothing to do with the "missing" a/c. Like SoCalJumper mentioned, even Google Maps is probably good enough for that. That image of the 80' long object was pretty bad. But that's just a guess.

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kallend



Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean.


www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort



latest update is the french satellite surrendered to the unidentified object.

maybe there isnt much particular interesting to keep an eye on in the southern Indian

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>My drone has a GPS tracker on it. Reports to a ground station connected to my
>iPAD. And that's just to save a grand or so in case it flies away. If I owned a 777
>I'd definitely want a GPS tracker on it.

Probably a good decision. The owners of this aircraft had the same option.

Would you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website?

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billvon

Would you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website?



There is a difference between what is appropriate for private individuals and what is appropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations.

This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two and it's almost as if you're intentionally doing it.

Why?

It's a completely false equivalency.
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