ryoder 1,382 #1 February 15, 2017 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/harrison-ford-plane-incident-737-john-wayne-airport/ Apparently, he was cleared for 20L, but landed on the taxiway to the left of it: https://www.google.com/maps/place/33%C2%B040'32.4%22N+117%C2%B052'05.6%22W/@33.674522,-117.8723121,2242m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d33.6756667!4d-117.8682222"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #2 February 15, 2017 He also almost opened that 737. He's gonna get his ticket yanked this time I think. Pending a medical review maybe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,382 #3 February 15, 2017 On one hand I can see how an unfamiliar pilot might think the taxiway is the left runway, due to the threshold of the right runway being 2500' beyond the left. But on the other hand, the taxiway has none of the markings you expect to see on an active runway."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 February 15, 2017 He was heard on air traffic control recordings asking "Was that airliner supposed to be under me?""Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #5 February 15, 2017 Technically yes, but you shouldn't have been over him. Can you imagine the disaster that could have created if he'd have opened that tin can? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #6 February 15, 2017 ryoderOn one hand I can see how an unfamiliar pilot might think the taxiway is the left runway, due to the threshold of the right runway being 2500' beyond the left. But on the other hand, the taxiway has none of the markings you expect to see on an active runway. I was a freelance flight instructor operating out of John Wayne for about 10 years although I will admit it has been more time than that since I have been. I'm completely unclear how anyone could possibly make this mistake although it has happened more than once. The runways have standard runway markings and VASIs. The taxiways do not. ;)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #7 February 15, 2017 ryoder On one hand I can see how an unfamiliar pilot might think the taxiway is the left runway, due to the threshold of the right runway being 2500' beyond the left. But on the other hand, the taxiway has none of the markings you expect to see on an active runway. You're looking at the wrong side of the runway. He was cleared to land 20L, not 2R. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #8 February 15, 2017 quade I'm completely unclear how anyone could possibly make this mistake although it has happened more than once. The runways have standard runway markings and VASIs. The taxiways do not. ;) I don't see many Husky drivers that worry about "all them stinkin' lights"... "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,382 #9 February 15, 2017 theonlyski ***On one hand I can see how an unfamiliar pilot might think the taxiway is the left runway, due to the threshold of the right runway being 2500' beyond the left. But on the other hand, the taxiway has none of the markings you expect to see on an active runway. You're looking at the wrong side of the runway. He was cleared to land 20L, not 2R. Doh!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #10 February 16, 2017 ryoder Doh! Might want to brush up on that before your next flight review. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #11 February 16, 2017 FWIW, here's a capture from Google Earth on approach to 20L or the taxiway to the left of it. I haven't tried to set any particular approach angle or anything; just eyeballed it. In this screenshot, the runway markings relative to the taxiway are somewhat clear, although less so if one takes a view from further away. Still, 20L is definitely more prominent than the taxiway to the left of it. (I believe this is taxiway C that he landed on but haven't checked the web more.) People do screw up at times, including getting fixated on stuff. Maybe he was overly focused on staying to the left, left, left. We just don't have much information to go on so far. And I think avoiding the airliner was no big deal considering he was in a light & responsive aircraft. "Hmm, why is the airliner there.... seems an odd hold point... well I'll just land a bit long.... focus on the landing and sort it out later." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #12 February 16, 2017 Check out how KPBI went about solving the issue with 10R and 10L. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palm+Beach+International+Airport+(PBI)/@26.6817103,-80.1056366,2261a,20y,90h/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d8d62b565f5441:0xdfe06cce855176be!8m2!3d26.6857475!4d-80.0928165 "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #13 February 16, 2017 Huh, big yellow on black letters saying TAXIWAY, on the taxiway! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnyCrawford 0 #14 February 16, 2017 BillyVanceHe was heard on air traffic control recordings asking "Was that airliner supposed to be under me?" That's the part that gets me. The time to ask that question was when he was on approach, not after he landed. Then he would have had time to go around and make another pass. And how does he miss that giant number "20" painted at the end of the runway, while the taxiway is blank. I think he needs to buy a couple of clues... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #15 February 16, 2017 JohnyCrawford And how does he miss that giant number "20" painted at the end of the runway, while the taxiway is blank. Maybe he thought the jet was covering the numbers? "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo 0 #16 February 16, 2017 If you fly the Millenium Falcon, you don´t care about "Taxiways" .. Or maybe Chewie had distracted him because of a possible stormtrooper-attac? Those damm´ Boeings sometimes look like an AAL ...See the pic as he was in contact with the ATC .... "did you say 2L? I say: Don´t fool me. I know it´s a trap!!" -------------------------------------------------- With sufficient thrust, pigs just fly well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #17 February 16, 2017 Flew helos in and out of LAX a few times. You were dreaming if you thought they would let you land on a runway, or even a taxi way. They always cleared us to a ramp off the taxi way. Friend declared an emergency once, and they gave him the taxi way. Huge concession, apparently.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #18 February 16, 2017 pchapmanFWIW, here's a capture from Google Earth on approach to 20L or the taxiway to the left of it. I haven't tried to set any particular approach angle or anything; just eyeballed it. In this screenshot, the runway markings relative to the taxiway are somewhat clear, although less so if one takes a view from further away. Still, 20L is definitely more prominent than the taxiway to the left of it. (I believe this is taxiway C that he landed on but haven't checked the web more.) People do screw up at times, including getting fixated on stuff. Maybe he was overly focused on staying to the left, left, left. We just don't have much information to go on so far. And I think avoiding the airliner was no big deal considering he was in a light & responsive aircraft. "Hmm, why is the airliner there.... seems an odd hold point... well I'll just land a bit long.... focus on the landing and sort it out later." Someone PLEASE overlay the Millenium Falcoln cockpit over that picture: https://milaviate.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/star-wars-episode-5_183.jpg?w=1200"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #19 February 16, 2017 That's going to take a bit of work. IMO"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #20 February 16, 2017 I'm surprised there isn't already a web generator so you can overlay the cockpit on whatever situation you like."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #21 February 16, 2017 Were those added for the new heavy traffic there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #22 February 16, 2017 A quick and dirty edit using Paintbrush - I don't have access to Photoshop here. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #23 February 16, 2017 More centered on the taxiway For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #24 February 16, 2017 A. Awesome job. B. You have too much time on your hands. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #25 February 16, 2017 For your enjoyment For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
