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Outstanding footage . . .

But, regardless, if you want to help sell a crap drink to children, why are you "using" BASE jumping? You are giving away something the corporate sharks couldn’t get their hands on in a million years. Enjoy your few minutes of fame . . .

NickD :)BASE 194


edit to remove personal attack, and for thread title after split ~TA

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Outstanding footage . . .

But, regardless, if you want to help sell a crap drink to children, why are you "using" BASE jumping? You are giving away something the corporate sharks couldn’t get their hands on in a million years. Enjoy your few minutes of fame . . .

NickD :)BASE 194



come on...u re jumping LF in the picture...whats that ?????

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And your views on the Bridgeday EVENT with it's hundreds of thousands of public spectators?

I'm assuming all who attend that event are assholes too, and that you have always shunned the spotlight there.



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took am angry pill with sarcastic chaser before that post? whats with all the antimosity? are you really telling me that you wouldnt have jumped (pun intended) at this event, or any like it 20 years ago, 15, 10, yesterday? I doubt that you would have turned this down in the past at some point. maybe not now, but i would bet you would have at some point.

and i dont think "energy drinks" are completely aimed at kids. they are about the same level as alcohol (IMO as an imdustry insider) [:/]


-nic

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But, regardless, if you want to help sell a crap drink to children, why are you "using" BASE jumping? You are giving away something the corporate sharks couldn’t get their hands on in a million years. Enjoy your few minutes of fame . . .

NickD :)BASE 194



By all do respect for you mr Nick DG but that's just pathetic. Maybe you are just bitter 'cause you were not invited to that event ? Maybe you are not that big of a hero in base scene you thought you were ? Truth hurts but please, don't call other jumpers assholes if you even try to consider yourself as jumper as well. You have been jumping in front of hundreds thousands wuffos in BD and "selling out" BASE for some wannabepussy or a blow job before even some of the "assholes" on X-days were even born. So perhaps you are the last people who shuold be giving that glory hound crap to anyone.

I used to have most respect for you because of what you have done for the sport but commets like that are just total bullshit. We should be brothers in this sport, not flame each other and make personal attacks (aren't they actually forbidden in this forum or is it ok to call a group of jumpers assholes but when you aim it towards one person it's forbidden ?).

p.s By the way, the event was whole lotta fun!

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My primary purpose for going to the event was to jump that object. Like the vast majority of jumpers, our priority was to jump for fun. Supporting Go-Fast drinks was a means to an end and they kindly paid for the event, fed me and allowed me to jump a top banana object. If you look at the workload I had to do supporting Go-Fast it was miniscule. It was a good deal I thought.

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very well said, i second every fucking word you just wrote.

and yeah it was a hell of a lot of fun except for those damm ropes and trees.

by the way i will be in helsinki (sp) in 4 days and i am looking you up wheather you like it or not.

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As an 'outsider' (being hired by GoFast to do the video) I can say that this was definately not an ego driven event.
I met lots of people there, and couldnt name one in particular that was walking around with a 'look at me' attitude, or there for fame and glory.

Or is there some unwritten rule which states that basejumping needs to be illegal for it to count towards some form of bad-ass image which seems to be manditory for some people?

Everyone was there to have fun. The mood was nice and easy, and everyone worked hard to show basejumping to the public in a positive way.

All media coveredge on TV was positive, and there are already talks about next year, as GoFast and the Euromast organisation both thought it was a big succes.

The only people that had to defend themselves and their sport for TV in the interviews that where given/taken there was the kids racing scooters..
JC
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Wow, you must really dislike those poor kids on their funny scooters... ;)

And by the way, thank you GoFast for organizing this event and letting me jump leagally an extreemly nice object for 2 days, I had lots of fun and got to meet old friends and some new friends too doing the thing I love to do the most.

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Anyone who has taken even a passing interest in Nick's posts in the past should already have noticed one immutable thread which link his bilious rants, that being the "one rule for him and his buddies and one rule for the rest of us" chestnut....and all this justified with the disconcertingly vague "things were different back then" get out of jail free card.

Nick DG slamming people over scrambling for their supposed "15 minutes of fame" is the biggest joke i've heard in a long time. No one has come across as desperate as he is for an extra hour basking in the warmth of the celebrity sun and I even suspect these contentious rants of his are just another way of ensuring that he's not completely overlooked by the spotlight.

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Anyone who has taken even a passing interest in Nick's posts in the past should already have noticed one immutable thread which link his bilious rants, that being the "one rule for him and his buddies and one rule for the rest of us" chestnut....and all this justified with the disconcertingly vague "things were different back then" get out of jail free card.

Nick DG slamming people over scrambling for their supposed "15 minutes of fame" is the biggest joke i've heard in a long time. No one has come across as desperate as he is for an extra hour basking in the warmth of the celebrity sun and I even suspect these contentious rants of his are just another way of ensuring that he's not completely overlooked by the spotlight.



Fortunately living in Europe offers so much hassle-free base jumping and opportunities, that its not really relevant what some old school have to say.

Base jumping is as personal or as commercial as you want to make it.

Base Jumping will continue to develop as an extreme sporting media\branding vehicle, as long as there is a demand.

As for 15 minutes of frame, well no-one individual really faced the product or object (Ego’s need not apply!), it was simply get on with it and make it a success by being professional about it.

Plus they threw in a FREE day’s jumping off a crane :)

I know were I’ll be next year.

Pete Mac

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Ok, I will bite on this one. Did you expect different ? You did not think ? that to single out NickDG's Post would bring out others in opinions aggressive in manor in rebuttal ? While possibly leaving Nick in defense also.
You did not think that grafting a persons Posted opinion from a discussion in a Thread. To Headline your designer Thread. Was going to inflame emotional outbursts of opinions from others as they attempt to build the Thread that 'You started' from that single opinionated Post ?
There is no moderators book of rules to follow but you chose to Split and pull out the Post that NickDG did. Then single it out, to stand alone for public display for all to Post there attitudes of opinion on a titled Thread of, 'Publicity Discussion'. Then when public discussion and Posts with opinion appear that is not to 'your personal flavor'. You seek to discipline, edit and mold the building structure of the Threads when things seem to get a little unruly.
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you chose to Split and pull out the Post that NickDG did. Then single it out, to stand alone for public display for all to Post there attitudes of opinion on a titled Thread of



Since Nick posted it, shouldnt he be perfectly capable of standing for and defending what he sayd himself?

If you can only say things 'hidden' deep witin a thread, and cant take it when people answer and dont agree with what you say....then DONT POST ANYTHING!
JC
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I'd go further Ray.

Splitting it off, then removing the offending comment - where Nick called everyone who attended the Go FAst event in Rotterdam 'assholes' removes the context with which several replied, in effect making it look like those who took exception to his pathetic outburst are the aggressors here.

So just in the interests of balance, and for anyone who missed the original unedited post, Nick DG, the last bastion of self appointed wisdom, called anyone who attends, or has participated in BASE jumping events (which are backed or sponsored by any organisation with commercial interests outside of BASE jumping) glory seeking assholes. Past or Future.

So if you have attended the Royal Gorge games (courtesy of Go Fast), KL (courtesy of Menara amongst others), The UK and Belgium Crane boogies (Go FAst again), Ostankino (courtesy of many sponsors), Bridgeday (with it's 1000's of spectators and sponsors including Dodge) and any number of other worldwide events....HE means YOU.....assholios.

Discuss in an adult manner!

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Here's my reasoning:

The original X-Days thread already had a significant discussion about an unrelated topic (the premature closure of the event). Nick's post was likely to only sidetrack the discussion into a separate topic. As a separate topic, it deserved it's own thread (and discussion would be better served to remove the subjects from each other). I decided to separate the two threads so that each of them could continue without interfering with the other. I do feel a little bad about doing that, because it does put Nick on the spot, and to an extent forces him to defend a position that he had "buried" in a thread, rather than "headlining" as it's own thread. Nick, I apologize for doing that to you, and I hope you can understand my reasoning.

The discussion springing from Nick's post contained several personal attacks. Leaving those attacks in simply encourages continued personal attacks on all sides, inflames the posters, and detracts from reasonable discussion of the underlying point Nick is trying to make. I refuse to let this thread degenerate into juvenile name calling ("you're an asshole..." "oh, yeah, well you're an assholio, so there..."). That means I am either going to lock it entirely (and kill the discussion), or remove the PA's so that they don't spin people up into more attacks, and then allow the discussion to continue. I decided to remove the attacks and let the discussion continue.


Ray, every post in this thread above my notice of the split was made (in the other thread) before I split this stuff off. I hardly think I was forcing people to post those things, and I don't think I made it any more likely, given the immediate and forceful responses that were side tracking that other thread.

Ian, I understand that you want to be able to call people names. Unfortunately, that really doesn't work very well once a forum reaches a certain critical mass. I am unwilling to allow this forum to degenerate to the place BLiNC was before the "vote purge" incident, where the top threads are all ongoing flame fests, and any useful discussion is immediately buried by angry shouting matches. If you want to call people names, there are many other forums (in fact, virtually all other forums) where you can do so. I understand that it is sometimes important for people to vent their anger in this fashion, and that forums allowing such venting are equally important. Please respect that this forum is not such a place.
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Ian, I understand that you want to be able to call people names.



Tom

This is the kind of skewed reasoning that really winds people up and has beset this forum with accusations of favouritism and biased moderation. Nick get's an apology and you accuse ME of name calling.

Nick's attack (it wasn't some innocent comment you know) against hundreds of individuals was about as childish as it gets. An insult for the sake of insulting. A person can not after all literally be an asshole. Naive maybe, moronic maybe, unethical maybe but what's asshole supposed to mean exactly.

I replied that Nick was an embittered hypocrite. That's pretty specific and is not without merit.

Embittered because his comments were, overall, groundless and motivated by hatred for people he really doesn't know anything about, and hypocritical because he has attended events sponsored by an energy drink manufacturer but obviously doesn't feel that his participation broke any cardinal ethical rules whereas those who attended X days did.

I would have thought, that an intelligent guy like yourself would have been able to distinguish between childish inflammatory insults (asshole, wanker, shitface, dickhead, knob jockey, gayboy etc) and considered critical assessments of an individual's personality traits (hypocrite, bitter, disingenuous, pious, naive etc)

I'm struggling to work out what you wanted or expected in response to Nick's post, which as Ray pointed out, you chose to highlight by splitting it off. Was it really unforeseeable that some of us would read that comment and think "what a total hypocrite coming from a dude who did a bunch of TV interviews at a red bull sponsored bridgeday only 2 years ago".

Or is me pointing this out not playing by the rules. Am I not showing the deference you feel Nick deserves?

Well be default, I have the utmost respect for any BASE jumper who was part of the pioneering years. However, that respect is not unconditional. Nick has proven time and again that he harbours serious ill-will and lack of any reciprical respect for an entire generation of jumpers and so whatever respect I might have had for him has long since evaporated.

Name caller indeed. Now that's an inflammatory personal attack if ever there was one.

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we can find what Nick said in maretus answer (including assholes and other stuff)

with all the respect and all the consideration it`s sad than a basejumper (skydiver) say about another one it`s an asshole just because he had the chance to jump an object (even if it`s sponsored by a company).

sad


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So what about the points Ian made in his last post? As he points out, it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to apologize to Nick but then crack Ian. Nick is the one who started with the name-calling in the first place, and Ian just responded to that. If you are unsure about that, go back and read his unedited original post. Fine if you want to slap Ian for a bit of name calling (he was totally right, but whatever), but if you are going to do that, you should be slapping Nick for starting it off. And under no circumstances should be you APOLOGIZING to him! WTF?!

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...not the intended discussion, but one certainly worth following...

I think the ball is currently in Tom's (and I guess possible Nick's) court right now - next reply please :$

"If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation."
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As he points out, it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to apologize to Nick but then crack Ian.



I apologized to Nick for moving his post.

That's unrelated to the personal attacks. What was it that made you think I was apologizing to Nick for editing out his attack? Was it the part where I said nothing about that? Or perhaps the part where I edited his post?

Let me be absolutely clear:

I do not apologize for removing the attacks from this thread. Anyone's attacks, in any posts.


Why did I respond to Ian, by name, about my moderation? If you carefully read that post, you will note that I responded to Ian and Ray, who were, actually, the two people who had voiced complaints. Nick did not voice a complaint--hence I did not respond to him.
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