mostwanted 0 #1 November 13, 2006 i bought a Raven III a few months ago to make the recommended base orientated drills while skydiving. now i am searching for an appropriate container that fits the Raven III. i thought it would be handy if my future base canopy (not bought yet) would fit too - so i could make some skydives with it without the need to buy/borrow another rig. i found a canopy-size chart a few months ago (see attachment) - unfortunately there are no base-canopies listed... the Raven III (with dacron-lines) is listed with a volume of 515 cu.in. - it fits perfect into one of my friend's containers... ...but would my future base-canopy also fit? i am 65 kg (142 lbs.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #2 November 13, 2006 i forgot to attach the canopy-size-chart - sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #3 November 13, 2006 Quotei i found a canopy-size chart a few months ago (see attachment) - unfortunately there are no base-canopies listed... the Raven III (with dacron-lines) is listed with a volume of 515 cu.in. - it fits perfect in one of my friend's container... ...but would my future base-canopy also fit? i am 65 kg (142 lbs.) Humm ? What size is your Raven ? If you go for a rig that will fit for example 240'ish skydiving canopy it surely will fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well.http://www.ufufreefly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #4 November 13, 2006 Quote Humm ? What size is your Raven ? If you go for a rig that will fit for example 240'ish skydiving canopy it surely will fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well. manufacturer says 249 sqft. canopy size chart says 241 sqft. unfortunately i do not know that much about base canopies yet, but i thought that they may have a higher packvolume as a skydiving 7 cell canopy because of various base specific features (e.g. vents, etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #5 November 13, 2006 Yes, but they're F-111 (which has a lower pack volume than ZP) so that probably mitigates additional volume from vents-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #6 November 13, 2006 Troll pack volumes are listed here if it helps. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #7 November 13, 2006 QuoteYes, but they're F-111 (which has a lower pack volume than ZP) so that probably mitigates additional volume from vents the Raven is also F-111 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #8 November 13, 2006 QuoteYes, but they're F-111 (which has a lower pack volume than ZP) so that probably mitigates additional volume from vents Exactly and also you can freepack your BASE canopy (without the D-bag) so it gives you more space to the container. Overall I'd guess that if you get a skydiving container that fits your Raven easily it'll surely fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well.http://www.ufufreefly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #9 November 13, 2006 QuoteTroll pack volumes are listed here if it helps. Gus yes, thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #10 November 13, 2006 Quote Exactly and also you can freepack your BASE canopy (without the D-bag) so it gives you more space to the container. Overall I'd guess that if you get a skydiving container that fits your Raven easily it'll surely fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well. freepack: i guess that was a good point! thanks. and it was really easy to pack the raven into the container. good news! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pidge 0 #11 November 13, 2006 I freepacked my 285 troll into my 170 skydiving container. I had to lenghten the closing loop alot and I did hop and pops, but it worked. I used my 34" pilot chute and 9 foot bridle as well, the openings were a little hard but you can fix that by packing acordingly.'Don't let your ambitions get mixed up with your capabilites' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hecy68 0 #12 November 13, 2006 I picked up an old student racer lengthened the botom flap 2 inches works a treat .i jump a 320s ...Hecky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base689 0 #13 November 13, 2006 I will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 (and succeeded to stick a Flik 266 VTech (VERY tight) into it too ). Of course, Fox 245 (and even Flik 266) stays within Javelin J4 with a BASE free packing.Stay safe out there Blue Skies and Soft Walls BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mostwanted 0 #14 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuote Exactly and also you can freepack your BASE canopy (without the D-bag) so it gives you more space to the container. Overall I'd guess that if you get a skydiving container that fits your Raven easily it'll surely fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well. freepack: i guess that was a good point! thanks. and it was really easy to pack the raven into the container. good news! maybe this question is crap (i am a newbie - what else would you expect? ): why is it ok to freepack a base canopy into a skydiving container but should/must use a POD for a skydiving canopy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mostwanted 0 #15 November 13, 2006 QuoteI will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 (and succeeded to stick a Flik 266 VTech (VERY tight) into it too ). Of course, Fox 245 (and even Flik 266) stays within Javelin J4 with a BASE free packing. thanks for your answer! what skydiving canopies does the J4 fit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites d_goldsmith 1 #16 November 13, 2006 Not sure what POD means, but I'm assuming you mean deployment bag. You don't have to use one for a skydiving canopy either (i'm talking common sense not regulations, not sure about regulations). I think they help slow down the deployment. I know they prevent the canopy from hitting air until after line stretch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base689 0 #17 November 13, 2006 > what skydiving canopies does the J4 fit? —————————————————————————————— My "old" Javelin J4 (DOM 1999 (I understand that present Javelin's have different sizing models)) was made for (according to manufacturer instructions/charts) a ZP 190 or for a ZP 210 (tight). I normally "keep" a ZP Sabre 190 in my Javelin J4.Stay safe out there Blue Skies and Soft Walls BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maretus 0 #18 November 13, 2006 Quote maybe this question is crap (i am a newbie - what else would you expect? ): why is it ok to freepack a base canopy into a skydiving container but should/must use a POD for a skydiving canopy? Not all skydiving canopies use D-bags. For example most CRW-canopies that I've seen are freepacked. Packing of a certain canopy depends on it's desired opening characteristics and usage. It's the same with stowing lines, as most skydiving canopies use rubberbands to stow lines, most CRW canopies as well as BASE canopies have tailpockets for lines. If there are any CReW dogs around your DZ I'd strongly suggest you talk with them about freepacking, they'll have plenty of knowledge about that.http://www.ufufreefly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vid666 0 #19 November 13, 2006 Quotei bought a Raven III a few months ago to make the recommended base orientated drills while skydiving. now i am searching for an appropriate container that fits the Raven III. i thought it would be handy if my future base canopy (not bought yet) would fit too - so i could make some skydives with it without the need to buy/borrow another rig. i found a canopy-size chart a few months ago (see attachment) - unfortunately there are no base-canopies listed... the Raven III (with dacron-lines) is listed with a volume of 515 cu.in. - it fits perfect into one of my friend's containers... ...but would my future base-canopy also fit? i am 65 kg (142 lbs.) if you are doing hop'n'pops from a small airplane- just lengthen the closing loop, it will be ugly with the canopy popping out, but it will get hte job done. This way you can put a 260 in J2 if you wanted to. Or even bigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 14 #20 November 13, 2006 You won't be able to fit a 260 into a J2 even with the closing loop 8 inches long. The flaps will not touch and will leave way too much material flopping out to be snagged or to inflate as you are climbing around in the plane. Largest I was able to safely pack into my J2 was a Lightning 193 freepacked. Any of the larger container sizes above a J4 for Javelin, D4/D5 for a Dolphin, M5 for a Mirage, V355 in a Vector3 should hold a Raven3 safely. Your cheapest options in the used container in the US are going to be a used Dolphin or an old Vector2.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #21 November 13, 2006 Not true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Carpediem 0 #22 November 13, 2006 QuoteI will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 My mojo 240 fits into my J4 pretty well, worked for dozens of jumps with no issues Those who do, can't explain. Those who don't, can't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cwn 0 #23 November 13, 2006 I found that a Raven III works very well with a Dolphin D-4. Ravens pack smaller than a BASE canopy of the same size even when using the PIA size for the Raven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vid666 0 #24 November 13, 2006 I second what base_rigger said. It can, and has been done. a five-fold freepack works quite well. And nothing can inflate if packed properly. Not that there's all that much exposed. Plus if you are exiting a 182 on a low speed pass, you'd have to a complete imbecile to fuck it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stitch 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteNot true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).Ummmm, a RavenIV is PIA spec 282sqft., you probably mean a RavenIII."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 0 Go To Topic Listing
pidge 0 #11 November 13, 2006 I freepacked my 285 troll into my 170 skydiving container. I had to lenghten the closing loop alot and I did hop and pops, but it worked. I used my 34" pilot chute and 9 foot bridle as well, the openings were a little hard but you can fix that by packing acordingly.'Don't let your ambitions get mixed up with your capabilites' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hecy68 0 #12 November 13, 2006 I picked up an old student racer lengthened the botom flap 2 inches works a treat .i jump a 320s ...Hecky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base689 0 #13 November 13, 2006 I will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 (and succeeded to stick a Flik 266 VTech (VERY tight) into it too ). Of course, Fox 245 (and even Flik 266) stays within Javelin J4 with a BASE free packing.Stay safe out there Blue Skies and Soft Walls BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #14 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuote Exactly and also you can freepack your BASE canopy (without the D-bag) so it gives you more space to the container. Overall I'd guess that if you get a skydiving container that fits your Raven easily it'll surely fit similarly sized BASE canopy as well. freepack: i guess that was a good point! thanks. and it was really easy to pack the raven into the container. good news! maybe this question is crap (i am a newbie - what else would you expect? ): why is it ok to freepack a base canopy into a skydiving container but should/must use a POD for a skydiving canopy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mostwanted 0 #15 November 13, 2006 QuoteI will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 (and succeeded to stick a Flik 266 VTech (VERY tight) into it too ). Of course, Fox 245 (and even Flik 266) stays within Javelin J4 with a BASE free packing. thanks for your answer! what skydiving canopies does the J4 fit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_goldsmith 1 #16 November 13, 2006 Not sure what POD means, but I'm assuming you mean deployment bag. You don't have to use one for a skydiving canopy either (i'm talking common sense not regulations, not sure about regulations). I think they help slow down the deployment. I know they prevent the canopy from hitting air until after line stretch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base689 0 #17 November 13, 2006 > what skydiving canopies does the J4 fit? —————————————————————————————— My "old" Javelin J4 (DOM 1999 (I understand that present Javelin's have different sizing models)) was made for (according to manufacturer instructions/charts) a ZP 190 or for a ZP 210 (tight). I normally "keep" a ZP Sabre 190 in my Javelin J4.Stay safe out there Blue Skies and Soft Walls BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maretus 0 #18 November 13, 2006 Quote maybe this question is crap (i am a newbie - what else would you expect? ): why is it ok to freepack a base canopy into a skydiving container but should/must use a POD for a skydiving canopy? Not all skydiving canopies use D-bags. For example most CRW-canopies that I've seen are freepacked. Packing of a certain canopy depends on it's desired opening characteristics and usage. It's the same with stowing lines, as most skydiving canopies use rubberbands to stow lines, most CRW canopies as well as BASE canopies have tailpockets for lines. If there are any CReW dogs around your DZ I'd strongly suggest you talk with them about freepacking, they'll have plenty of knowledge about that.http://www.ufufreefly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vid666 0 #19 November 13, 2006 Quotei bought a Raven III a few months ago to make the recommended base orientated drills while skydiving. now i am searching for an appropriate container that fits the Raven III. i thought it would be handy if my future base canopy (not bought yet) would fit too - so i could make some skydives with it without the need to buy/borrow another rig. i found a canopy-size chart a few months ago (see attachment) - unfortunately there are no base-canopies listed... the Raven III (with dacron-lines) is listed with a volume of 515 cu.in. - it fits perfect into one of my friend's containers... ...but would my future base-canopy also fit? i am 65 kg (142 lbs.) if you are doing hop'n'pops from a small airplane- just lengthen the closing loop, it will be ugly with the canopy popping out, but it will get hte job done. This way you can put a 260 in J2 if you wanted to. Or even bigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 14 #20 November 13, 2006 You won't be able to fit a 260 into a J2 even with the closing loop 8 inches long. The flaps will not touch and will leave way too much material flopping out to be snagged or to inflate as you are climbing around in the plane. Largest I was able to safely pack into my J2 was a Lightning 193 freepacked. Any of the larger container sizes above a J4 for Javelin, D4/D5 for a Dolphin, M5 for a Mirage, V355 in a Vector3 should hold a Raven3 safely. Your cheapest options in the used container in the US are going to be a used Dolphin or an old Vector2.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #21 November 13, 2006 Not true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Carpediem 0 #22 November 13, 2006 QuoteI will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 My mojo 240 fits into my J4 pretty well, worked for dozens of jumps with no issues Those who do, can't explain. Those who don't, can't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cwn 0 #23 November 13, 2006 I found that a Raven III works very well with a Dolphin D-4. Ravens pack smaller than a BASE canopy of the same size even when using the PIA size for the Raven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vid666 0 #24 November 13, 2006 I second what base_rigger said. It can, and has been done. a five-fold freepack works quite well. And nothing can inflate if packed properly. Not that there's all that much exposed. Plus if you are exiting a 182 on a low speed pass, you'd have to a complete imbecile to fuck it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stitch 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteNot true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).Ummmm, a RavenIV is PIA spec 282sqft., you probably mean a RavenIII."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 0
base689 0 #17 November 13, 2006 > what skydiving canopies does the J4 fit? —————————————————————————————— My "old" Javelin J4 (DOM 1999 (I understand that present Javelin's have different sizing models)) was made for (according to manufacturer instructions/charts) a ZP 190 or for a ZP 210 (tight). I normally "keep" a ZP Sabre 190 in my Javelin J4.Stay safe out there Blue Skies and Soft Walls BASE #689 - base_689AT_NO_123_SPAMyahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #18 November 13, 2006 Quote maybe this question is crap (i am a newbie - what else would you expect? ): why is it ok to freepack a base canopy into a skydiving container but should/must use a POD for a skydiving canopy? Not all skydiving canopies use D-bags. For example most CRW-canopies that I've seen are freepacked. Packing of a certain canopy depends on it's desired opening characteristics and usage. It's the same with stowing lines, as most skydiving canopies use rubberbands to stow lines, most CRW canopies as well as BASE canopies have tailpockets for lines. If there are any CReW dogs around your DZ I'd strongly suggest you talk with them about freepacking, they'll have plenty of knowledge about that.http://www.ufufreefly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vid666 0 #19 November 13, 2006 Quotei bought a Raven III a few months ago to make the recommended base orientated drills while skydiving. now i am searching for an appropriate container that fits the Raven III. i thought it would be handy if my future base canopy (not bought yet) would fit too - so i could make some skydives with it without the need to buy/borrow another rig. i found a canopy-size chart a few months ago (see attachment) - unfortunately there are no base-canopies listed... the Raven III (with dacron-lines) is listed with a volume of 515 cu.in. - it fits perfect into one of my friend's containers... ...but would my future base-canopy also fit? i am 65 kg (142 lbs.) if you are doing hop'n'pops from a small airplane- just lengthen the closing loop, it will be ugly with the canopy popping out, but it will get hte job done. This way you can put a 260 in J2 if you wanted to. Or even bigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #20 November 13, 2006 You won't be able to fit a 260 into a J2 even with the closing loop 8 inches long. The flaps will not touch and will leave way too much material flopping out to be snagged or to inflate as you are climbing around in the plane. Largest I was able to safely pack into my J2 was a Lightning 193 freepacked. Any of the larger container sizes above a J4 for Javelin, D4/D5 for a Dolphin, M5 for a Mirage, V355 in a Vector3 should hold a Raven3 safely. Your cheapest options in the used container in the US are going to be a used Dolphin or an old Vector2.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_rigger 0 #21 November 13, 2006 Not true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carpediem 0 #22 November 13, 2006 QuoteI will tell you MY experience. My Fox 245 Vtech stays (even if jolly tight) into my Javelin J4 My mojo 240 fits into my J4 pretty well, worked for dozens of jumps with no issues Those who do, can't explain. Those who don't, can't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cwn 0 #23 November 13, 2006 I found that a Raven III works very well with a Dolphin D-4. Ravens pack smaller than a BASE canopy of the same size even when using the PIA size for the Raven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vid666 0 #24 November 13, 2006 I second what base_rigger said. It can, and has been done. a five-fold freepack works quite well. And nothing can inflate if packed properly. Not that there's all that much exposed. Plus if you are exiting a 182 on a low speed pass, you'd have to a complete imbecile to fuck it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteNot true. I among others were able to pack a Raven IV (PIA 266) into a J2 and it got jumped several times including BASE jumps (NRGB).Ummmm, a RavenIV is PIA spec 282sqft., you probably mean a RavenIII."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
