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pop his reserve, and steal his cutaway, punch him in the nose.

maybe hel figure it out then, on the hike back down.



will be there with you...I can take the cutaway and throw it somewhere...after punching him, we can talk, maybe...:P

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no need to through away the handel and get the italians on your back,punch his nose cut his main and pop his reserve,then jump whith his cut handel,get your second gear up again just in time to kick his arse and pop his reserve once more(i guess he can pack such thing:D) before you jump again,just in time before the high winds arrive,give him back the handel as he gets down and tell him that using skydive gear in BASEworld is bad juju;)

well it might work unless he simply does a unpacked from up there:P...

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Payback? No way man, I'm glad you took what I wrote and changed it for that purpose, which is, educating people about what not to do. It's a nice use of words.

(Now if I can just figure out what ITW and IBA are.)

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and it was not the first one who jumped with skydiving equipment...
take a look on the continuum 1 DVD... italy section...:P
...and surely not the last....[:/]
anyway....



Well, I would never say skydiving gear is as well suited for bigwalls as BASE-specific equipment, but.....

My first 130 jumps off Kjerag was with a modified skydiverigg and Raven 4 packed in a bag. Not a single linetwist. Than I got "safe", got me a BASE canopy and a BASE rigg, clamps, and a hell-of-a-lot neater packjob.... and now I enjoy a few linetwists every year.

I miss the old Kjerag. Let us bring back the old gear, and put Tracy in the boat. Let's go retro in 2007! ;-)

/Micke
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My first 130 jumps off Kjerag was with a modified skydiverigg and Raven 4 packed in a bag. Not a single linetwist. Than I got "safe", got me a BASE canopy and a BASE rigg, clamps, and a hell-of-a-lot neater packjob.... and now I enjoy a few linetwists every year.



My first 130 jumps off Kjerag...

Coming back to the thread.

BASE or not BASE, legal or not legal, shouldn't one's profoundly self-destructive action be prevented just because we are humans?

We (collectively) do not allow other people to (insert your favourite recless activity)...just because of the impact on the individual and society. No difference here. We are all humans and shouldn't we respect other people's lives as much as we do ours?

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shouldn't one's profoundly self-destructive action be prevented just because we are humans?



Or....

Shouldn't we allow people to decide their own fate just because we are humans?

The "just because we are human" argument is used a lot, but I don't think it's very practical. It can be misused too easily.

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We (collectively) do not allow other people to (insert your favourite recless activity)...just because of the impact on the individual and society.



I'll insert one for you: "jump of cliffs in NPS land"; still agree?

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No difference here. We are all humans and shouldn't we respect other people's lives as much as we do ours?



Jup. I respect other people's lives so much, if they want to take theirs, they can have it!

Of course, reality isn't that simple. Whenever somebody goes in, there's an emotional and recovery cost. Th question is, where does responsible behaviour turn into recklesness. I would draw the line at doing a two second delay with a Sabre 170. Doing a 30 second delay with a Sabre 170? I'm not sure sure anymore. It's not my thing, but it's definitely less reckless than the two second delay.

It's a grey area, and the second we stop this guy, we hand others the right to stop us.

Education, yes. Prevention, neah. Let him die...

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My first 130 jumps off Kjerag...

Coming back to the thread.



Point is, just because some equipment is not BASE specific doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't, jump it. I wouldn't jump a big cliff with a Sabre, no, but that's not because it can't be done relatively "safe" (supertrack, pull a little higher to leave room for reserve), but because I choose to jump more suitable equipment.

"MyTwoCents: It's a grey area, and the second we stop this guy, we hand others the right to stop us."

Agree!

/Micke
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It's a grey area, and the second we stop this guy, we hand others the right to stop us.

Education, yes. Prevention, neah. Let him die...



Agreed. It's the best way in the long run, natural selection is highly underrated.
"The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957

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Does it really make sense to resort to physical actions to stop someone from doing something because you think it's a bad idea or the result may prove fatal? Isn't this what the government (NPS specifically) is doing that we are all pissed about?

I feel people have the right to live, or die, as they see fit. If they choose to live their life in ignorance and not heed useful information that is readily available, perhaps being yelled in their face, so be it!



So, if I am feeling suicidal, I have every right to just jump in front of a train . . . . . . . .and fuck up that drivers psychology and life forever???

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

What if I want to knock down a building full of people. I have the right to fly a plane into it.

BULLSHIT AGAIN!!!!!

Certainly, if you want to end it, it is your choice. But you DO NOT have a right to do it how you please and when you please!!! Other people are involved. Just as it is selfish and a pain in the arse to stop people from doing something (i.e regulation), it is just as selfish to force the outcome of your actions on others.

As you said, you would more than likely hang around to pick up the pieces, as I and many others have done. But sometimes the person just do no deserve it.

Freedom is for EVERYone, not just for ONEone. :o

ps.. this is not directed at you, it is a general comment for all.
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Well said.

As much as I hate regulation. Fact is, as time goes by and people become more ignorant and more hurried, they need to be managed. So we either have lots more people and regulation. or we have less people and no regulation.

The juggernaut is rolling. The second option is gone.
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Now back to tropic



I thought DK was a long way North. A bit closer to Arctic than Tropic!!! :P

And what is wrong with fat people???

You skinny blokes will never realise that wing loading is great for improving the performance of your canopy!!! ;) Faster, faster, faster.....

Except in those tight arse landing areas with deep braked approaches. :(
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Ouch!!

Someone wants told me "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit".

Then I thought, I might be dumb, but I'm having fun.

Seriously, regarding good advice and ignorance. Its all a personal choice. Probably best left for personal conversations. But it is also beneficial to have this in the forums occassionally. Why?

Because there will be more people who just don't want to listen. If they have some subconscious need to belong to future BASE society, they may actually heed the advice purely to belong. This may save a life.

Then there will always be those who just don't give a f%^%. And I don't care what anyone else says, when the eulogies are rolling and "he was always a safe guy" is spoken, I'm calling bullshit!!!!!! But I am not going to worry too much about it.


CHOICE WAS MADE. CONSEQUENCE WAS HAD.
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Approximately 7 months ago, one of the new jumpers attempting to fly wingsuits from ITW (there were two on that "accelerated wingsuit BASE course") went in at our local, with a fucking pull up chord tied around his pilot chute. He'd been taught this redundant trick by his equally young and free spirited "mentor", who still to this day refuses any responsibility for teaching him that and not gear checking him.

Following a lengthy program with the power company adding barbed wire and carrying out long overdue maintenance, tonight we had to walk away: The object is now (as of tonight) literally festooned with high tech, high quality infra red cameras and motion sensors, all tied in to a very impressive looking box with many flashing multi coloured LEDs that transmits the (no doubt) high quality output to God knows where. I fully expect a reception committee to be waiting for me when I land.

Overnight the object has been transformed by two young, free spirits: it used to be the most forgiving and (at night) accepting of objects. Now you have to accept the bust factor that would normally be inherent in a jump from a high profile down town building owned by a cash rich conglomerate.



I am really sorry to hear that. It was a beauty. I remember jumping that in the late nineties. I came back for my third of the evening (acutally early morning),and I could see two suspicious looking characters standing below (BASE jumpers of course ;)). So I pretended to be a security guard and started getting up them. After about 5 minutes I pulled out my stash bag and asked them if they wanted to join me for a jump. You should have seen the expression on their faces. PRICELESS!!!!!.

Back to the point. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have posted my thoughts elsewhere in this thread. Freedom is for everyone, not just for one. Their selfish behaviour has stolen an object, jumps, good times, a better learning environment for newer jumpers in that area of the world, etc, from others. Stealing is a crime. There is consequence to crime. Waving the flag of freedom around as the object owners are putting the final touches to a new high security system IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. It is NOT and never will be freedom.
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Even were you an active jumper living in Twin Falls, for example, I'd say it's a bad idea to do something like setting up a trampoline in the roadway and running across lanes of traffic to spring off it for a launch.



That sounds too much like you have put a lot of thought into it???? When do we get to see the video? :P

Frogger BASE.
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Roberto Heidolloni was the guy jumping the Sabre!!!!!!

That's Robin's 14th generation cousin. Robin comes from a family of spice sailors and pirates who landed at Perris (tidal wave pushed their boat inland).
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Confucious say: "Man who cannot learn from a fool, is a bigger fool himself".

One of my personal favourites.

Why? Because I try to teach people things. And if you don't learn from me, you're the bigger fool!!!!

Tom - do I get into trouble for calling myself a fool??? :P
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if they meet with less than optional landing situations.



That's a cute way of saying "BOUNCE". :P

Space has made it clear. The locals are considering closure. Why do we have to make the site stressful and illegal. There are enough of those elsewhere in the world. Lets keep this one relaxed, fun, free, etc.
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People's - if that is not freedom. Then I do not know what is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All the locals are asking is to come prepared and have the right tools.

To unclecharlie95 and all the Italians, grazie per la vostra ospitalità.
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My first 130 jumps off Kjerag...

Coming back to the thread.



Point is, just because some equipment is not BASE specific doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't, jump it.
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Double entendre...

I highlighted 130 not because you made that many jumps with skydiving equipment, but because you
name these 130 as your first 130. How many more with BASE equipment?

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I thought about saying this in this thread earlier, but figured it wouldn't really help anyone.

Freedom is the right to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's freedom.

I think that's the fest way to look at it.



To easy...Freedom is not a right to do what you want, it the position wher you can make choices and take responsibility for them. When you take responsibility for your life, you take responsibility for other people. That a great responsibility.

I said responsibility so many time that it looks like Iam making a point to make a point. What's the point - to make a point? ;)

...does not impinge other people's freedom. ...

Imagine you go in. How many people are affected. Starting from people who pick up your (literally) pieces...ending at people whom you will not be able to affect in 30 years, because you took your freedom too literally?

ps. edited to clean up spelling and grammar

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Imagine you go in. How many people are affected. Starting from people who pick up your (literally) pieces...ending at people whom you will not be able to affect in 30 years, because you took your freedom too literally?

ps. edited to clean up spelling and grammar



I don't see it. The only ones affected are his family(generally speaking of anyone, not Dave specifically), and that is on him. Other than that it is 1 less car on the road, 1 less worker in an office building; the world is no worse off, and even if the world or society was worse off, what right do they have to make a claim on that one person's life such that it limits that person's freedom? To make such a claim is selfish, greedy and does infringe on the freedom of others, which insidiously errodes their quality of life, little by little. Kinda like socialism of freedom and liberty. Just my 2 cents,
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Imagine you go in. How many people are affected. Starting from people who pick up your (literally) pieces...ending at people whom you will not be able to affect in 30 years, because you took your freedom too literally?

ps. edited to clean up spelling and grammar



I don't see it. The only ones affected are his family(generally speaking of anyone, not Dave specifically), and that is on him. Other than that it is 1 less car on the road, 1 less worker in an office building; the world is no worse off, and even if the world or society was worse off, what right do they have to make a claim on that one person's life such that it limits that person's freedom? To make such a claim is selfish, greedy and does infringe on the freedom of others, which insidiously errodes their quality of life, little by little. Kinda like socialism of freedom and liberty. Just my 2 cents,



TVPBs posts above say a lot about that.

But for example of impact, paramedic collects a body. Policemen make investigation. Doctor makes pronounces death, makes autopsy. Funeral, effect on friends. Classmates, coworkers, family (e.g nephews that will not have an uncle) work not done, taxes not paid. It's a bit like butterfly effect - or karma.

At the end, your are right, society has no right to expect anything from you. It is your responsibility to use your freedom right.

You (not personally, but as figure of speech) can make a choice of jumping reclessly or be a pillar of BASE community. Which is more satisfying, extra rush from ultra low pull or becoming someone's mentor?

It is a better chance to keep jumping, too

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