Proof that wingsuit can go up?

[skydiverek 60]

Is this a proof, finally ? That you can gain altitude in wingsuit?

From Facebook, but no logon required. (click HD in the lower right corner):

https://www.facebook.com/luke.aikins/videos/10204982975668896/

[DSE 3]

skydiverek

Is this a proof, finally ? That you can gain altitude in wingsuit?

From Facebook, but no logon required. (click HD in the lower right corner):

https://www.facebook.com/luke.aikins/videos/10204982975668896/

We see this at practically every Performance Comp...been a known thing for years
Take a peek at some of the GPS logs; it's very clear where in speed rounds, competitors "pop" up sometimes as much as a couple of hundred feet from their glide path.

As far as this video goes...a wingsuiter flying flat, viewed from a highly-loaded canopy descending at a rapid rate does not suggest the wingsuiter is flying "up."

The "up" is a very temporary state of flight, not remotely sustained.
Spend some time looking at the speed rounds on Paralog. You'll find quite a few where there are relatively significant "climbs."

[The111 1]

DSE

As far as this video goes...a wingsuiter flying flat, viewed from a highly-loaded canopy descending at a rapid rate does not suggest the wingsuiter is flying "up."

Moreover, even if the canopy was not descending, but instead magically hovering in one spot, the perspective is completely wrong to prove anything on this matter. The line from camera to horizon is a declining slope (since the ground is below the camera and the earth is round). Anything that passes under the camera and keeps moving forward will eventually cross that line. That the wingsuit crossed this line says nothing about whether his glide is negative, flat, or positive (only that it must be greater than the negative slope from camera to horizon).

But yes, it's certainly possible.

www.WingsuitPhotos.com

[lyosha 48]

This is a much better video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VigfXe1vhYg

[platypii 20]

Or this one if you want a fixed reference point: https://www.facebook.com/willkitto/videos/10153658965411040/

BASEline - Wingsuit Flight Computer

[granpasc 0]

lyosha

This is a much better video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VigfXe1vhYg

Ok, next step.. looping around cables

[JackJ 0]

Paging Giselle

[johnmatrix 21]

This is going to blow your mind but I just found a video of a canopy going up.
Check here between 1.10 and 1.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHtnfJ8CWlg

Mate this canopy technology is just getting better and better.

[JWest 0]

Wait, was it really debatable if canopy and wingsuits could gain altitude? Of course they can. All you have to do is change velocity into lift.

[JanuszPS 0]

"As far as this video goes...a wingsuiter flying flat, viewed from a highly-loaded canopy descending at a rapid rate does not suggest the wingsuiter is flying "up." "
With all respect DSE, where do you see a "highly loaded canopy" as the reference point? the person with the camera is wearing a WS without collapsed arms either leg wings which are huge brakes against "rapid" descent of the "canopy". neither I doubt that the WS flyier filming the flaring WS guy is under Velocity to create such an visual illusion of climbing up the WS flyier. He went up for a limited time and height but he did.
best regards
jps

Back to Poland... back home.

[DSE 3]

JanuszPS

"As far as this video goes...a wingsuiter flying flat, viewed from a highly-loaded canopy descending at a rapid rate does not suggest the wingsuiter is flying "up." "
With all respect DSE, where do you see a "highly loaded canopy" as the reference point? the person with the camera is wearing a WS without collapsed arms either leg wings which are huge brakes against "rapid" descent of the "canopy". neither I doubt that the WS flyier filming the flaring WS guy is under Velocity to create such an visual illusion of climbing up the WS flyier. He went up for a limited time and height but he did.
best regards
jps

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the person with the camera is wearing a WS without collapsed arms either leg wings which are huge brakes against "rapid" descent of the "canopy".

Whether arms or legs are collapsed makes no difference to the descent rate of the canopy.

Granted, I *assume* it's a highly loaded canopy. It's Luke Aikens. I've seen Luke fly several times, and never under a "lightly loaded canopy." But for the sake of argument, you're correct in that I'm making an assumption.

Either way, this sort of video proves nothing, it's just a fun visual to see.

[3mpire 0]

lyosha

This is a much better video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VigfXe1vhYg

for those who want to skip straight to the interesting bit:

https://youtu.be/VigfXe1vhYg?t=45

[Bealio 0]

https://www.facebook.com/willkitto/videos/10153658965411040/?pnref=story

More proof.

[granpasc 0]

Sorry but there's no proof on yours video.
The canopy could be stall
The cliff is not horizontal
Wingsuiter could be turn front of camera behind cable

For prove it formally, you need two static point, like lighthouse and horizon, at 1'30:

https://vimeo.com/84524078

For me, it's could be possible but we are also very charged

[johnmatrix 21]

JWest

Wait, was it really debatable if canopy and wingsuits could gain altitude? Of course they can. All you have to do is change velocity into lift.

Exactly.

[cough cough]

What happened here a while back is that during the period where some new super-large 'mattress' suits were being released someone would occasionally claim that they made one 'fly up' and that this was proof of the awesomeness of the suit.

What would happen then is someone would suggest that they had been diving before this 'fly up' event and that this was in fact not so surprising, and maybe they would ask to see the GPS data.

This comment would have several possible outcomes but normally resulted in descending into brand wars with one or another person insisting that a particular model suit could 'fly up' and others saying it couldn't unless you were diving it to start with.

This has now led to further claims of video proof of wingsuits flying up, something which was never really in question in the first place.

Basically the Flying Up Wars can be seen in the context of the broader period of the great DZ.com Glide Ratio Conflict. In one instance I think one guy made a wingsuit at home and posted on here saying it did 5.1 or something like that (no video or GPS data or anything).

[granpasc 0]

johnmatrix

This has now led to further claims of video proof of wingsuits flying up, something which was never really in question in the first place.
S data or anything).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmkaVoLoFEU

[michalm21 0]

Johnmatrix, this is the most accurate and the best summary of dz flamewars I've read on this site. Good job!

[LukeH 0]

Nicely summed up!

[elias123 0]

+1

"In a mad world, only the mad are sane"

[ScottyBob 0]

Dude, you callin Luke fat? Your mean...

[maretus 0]

DSE

It's Luke Aikens. I've seen Luke fly several times, and never under a "lightly loaded canopy."

https://vimeo.com/113977394

Of course, the next argument is what is a "lightly loaded canopy"...

http://www.ufufreefly.com

[kallend 1,799]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Npo0cmp-VY

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DSE 3]

maretus

***It's Luke Aikens. I've seen Luke fly several times, and never under a "lightly loaded canopy."

https://vimeo.com/113977394

Of course, the next argument is what is a "lightly loaded canopy"...

I disagree. Red flies faster than blue, and orange flies longer than any other color.

[granpasc 0]

3 resources near clouds. Up or flat that's the question !
https://vimeo.com/137876658

barometric altimeter of last sequence :
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/07/82/38/resour10.png

[The111 1]

granpasc

3 resources near clouds. Up or flat that's the question !
https://vimeo.com/137876658

That shot at 3:20 is insanely beautiful.

www.WingsuitPhotos.com