hjumper33 0 #1 October 4, 2013 Ive posted a couple times in the classifieds and no one has responded, so does anyone know someone who has a classic laying around. Ive got some fun projects id like to do with one. Someone had a black and green one for 6'1 on here a while ago which would be ideal. Remember when people were flying 3:1 in classics, and then people could fly 3:1 in a V1, and then there was hard GPS evidence that we could fly 3:1 in a v4, and then apaches came out and people were flying 3:1, and now with my Aura, I look at my distances and im just slightly over...3:1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #2 October 5, 2013 Classics flew about 1.8 to 2. People bragged about doing 3.0 glide. Modern wingsuits barely push 3 to maybe 3.1 or so (in constant glide/no wind conditions) and people brag about flying 4.0 So substract 1, and you roughly get the actual glide. Cant wait to see wingsuit flying finaly move past that part of the obsession (and like canopy piloting) start being more concerned with the actual manouvrebility and handling skills of the pilot. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #3 October 5, 2013 I have one but its not for sale, had a lot of fun on it in the early days when we could still count pilots on our fingers and toes globally. Quite amazing when I lay it on the Viper and look and difference. But size aside as Jarno says its what inside the suit that really counts irrelevant of design if we want the maximum flight experience in performance, agility and control.Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #4 October 5, 2013 mccordia Cant wait to see wingsuit flying finaly move past that part of the obsession (and like canopy piloting) start being more concerned with the actual manouvrebility and handling skills of the pilot. Different strokes for different folks. It also takes skill to achieve a high glide ratio or to maximize forward speed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky12345 0 #5 October 6, 2013 every suit can be flown at 3:1 given the right wind even by a pilot with no skill but u cant do acro without good skill unless your skill is so poor that u do [unintentional] acro until impact Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #6 October 6, 2013 I can track at 3:1 into a head wind, on my back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #7 October 6, 2013 johnmatrixI can track at 3:1 into a head wind, on my back. Feet first?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #8 October 6, 2013 sky12345 every suit can be flown at 3:1 given the right wind even by a pilot with no skill but u cant do acro without good skill unless your skill is so poor that u do [unintentional] acro until impact Hey, you can get a brick to do 3:1 with a strong enough tailwind.Meanwhile the lousy wingsuit pilot will be getting 9:1 and the good one 15:1... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #9 October 6, 2013 Quote Meanwhile the lousy wingsuit pilot will be getting 9:1 and the good one light skinny guy in a way big suit[/1] 15:1 Fixed it for yaLooking at the few high ranking pilots, sure, skill does come into things. But for a lot of people the focus on solo/glide keeps them away from actually learning to control a wingsuit properly. 'planking' in one body position is nice if you're into that kinda thing. But there's a lot more to flying than just that one aspect.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #10 October 6, 2013 So, this is all well and good, but someone please sell me their classic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksimsf 0 #11 October 7, 2013 noob question here: What is BM classic compared to GTI? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #12 October 7, 2013 Classic = single zipper and a pain in the ass to get in the suit. Also, really ugly colors. GTi = zoom zoom zoom.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbow 0 #13 October 7, 2013 I,ve got a pretty decent classic but it fits me at 5-8 160 lbs. Was just gonna keep it for old times sake but would consider selling it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #14 October 8, 2013 monkycndoClassic = single zipper and a pain in the ass to get in the suit. Also, really ugly colors. GTi = zoom zoom zoom. Classic (or maybe Classic 2?) had 2 zippers. The S.U.I.T. had one zipper for sure.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #15 October 8, 2013 Maksimsfnoob question here: What is BM classic compared to GTI? Old, original S.U.I.T.'s and classics had a single zipper and were hard to get in and out of. The Classic II had double zippers. Arm wings on both go straight from the wrist to the waist with no grippers. The GTi had larger wings, but no grippers. It took most of us about one hour to mod grippers onto them for additional lift. Leg wing might have been a smidgen longer on a GTi as well. Both are great suits for First Flights and if I had any more of either of them I would never sell them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf62 0 #16 October 8, 2013 Jesse on Storage Hunters just bought one in a storage bin in Temecula, along with a handful of gopros, a protec and a Stuntman's airbag. Give him a call, there's no way he will get his fat ass in it. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #17 October 27, 2013 Don't have a classic, but I love my GTi! Just did my first wingsuit base with it and it was AWESOME! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #18 October 27, 2013 mccordia Quote Meanwhile the lousy wingsuit pilot will be getting 9:1 and the good one light skinny guy in a way big suit[/1] 15:1 Fixed it for yaLooking at the few high ranking pilots, sure, skill does come into things. But for a lot of people the focus on solo/glide keeps them away from actually learning to control a wingsuit properly. 'planking' in one body position is nice if you're into that kinda thing. But there's a lot more to flying than just that one aspect. The light skinny guy has an advantage in flight time, but a disadvantage in forward speed, giving not much effect on glide ratio. Glide ratio is a matter of skill, while any klutz can flail around and call it acrobatics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #19 October 27, 2013 AdamLanesDon't have a classic, but I love my GTi! Just did my first wingsuit base with it and it was AWESOME! If you want to scare yourself I'll let you have my Skyflyer 1 for some BASE jumping.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #20 October 27, 2013 Quotegiving not much effect on glide ratio. Actually lighter frame can have quite a big effect on glide as well. A longer freefall (even if its just 10 or 20 seconds more in the comp window) in skydiving often also adds to glide, as you almost always benefit from a tailwind. The effect of less weight on glide is more/less depending on high or low upper winds. But even mild 30kmh upper winds can already give you 80 to 160 meters more depending on how much slower you're falling (thus benefiting from the uppers longer). Looking at the competitions, an added 100 to 200 meters can for sure make a huge difference in the end results. Into wind, it would be the other way around, but most competitions (and skydiving in general) tends to be done with upwind jumpruns.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eriks-Angelos 0 #21 October 28, 2013 Hey mate, I was going though chutingstars used stuff and found one, it's made for 6'1" 185 lbs. hope it helps. http://www.chutingstar.com/skydive/birdman-classic-6-1-185-lbs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #22 October 29, 2013 mccordiaQuotegiving not much effect on glide ratio. Actually lighter frame can have quite a big effect on glide as well. A longer freefall (even if its just 10 or 20 seconds more in the comp window) in skydiving often also adds to glide, as you almost always benefit from a tailwind. The effect of less weight on glide is more/less depending on high or low upper winds. But even mild 30kmh upper winds can already give you 80 to 160 meters more depending on how much slower you're falling (thus benefiting from the uppers longer). Looking at the competitions, an added 100 to 200 meters can for sure make a huge difference in the end results. Into wind, it would be the other way around, but most competitions (and skydiving in general) tends to be done with upwind jumpruns. Don't confuse physics with the outcomes of decisions made by contest organizers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #23 October 29, 2013 Quote Don't confuse physics I don't...you did...you wrote an incorrect statement about weight. But lovely to see your eternal need for conflict hasn't faded...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #24 October 29, 2013 mccordia Quote Don't confuse physics I don't...you did...you wrote an incorrect statement about weight. But lovely to see your eternal need for conflict hasn't faded... Neither of you are confused or incorrect, there is just an inexact definition of glide ratio here.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #25 October 30, 2013 Awesome, bought it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
