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tbrown 23
No need to wait for minimums, especially if you're in trouble. I had wondered just how much time & altitude you had used to get the p/c off your arm, but it sounds like you did it rather quickly and high enough. Even with the malfunction, you got the main off your back so that you could cutaway and not have to take a frightening chance with launching your reserve through a horseshoe.
But a bad canopy is a bad canopy and if one or two quick attempts to clear it haven't worked, then you are well rid of it - the sooner the better ! Too many people have died because they got obsessed with trying to fix a malfunction, when two quick pulls on their handles would've solved their problem. Minimums are MINIMUMS, there is NO obligation to ever take it down to a minimum when you already know you've got trouble.
I'm also very happy to hear that you went right on jumping and have since completed your AFF. You've already got a newfound confidence that emergency procedures really do work, something most of us have to wait hundreds, or sometimes even thousands of jumps to experience.
Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
Thanks Divalent, I didn't even think about buying beer for the cutaway handle, that's a good point. I was lucky about one thing though. When I landed, I was telling my instructor that I was pretty sure that I knew where the main chute landed so I could track it down, but apparently, it landed in the DVO's front yard. I was pretty happy about that one.
@ tbrown: Thanks...although, I think I would have been happy to wait until the 'hundreds or thousands' of jumps before experiencing a cutaway. LOL. I am very happy that I spent some time watching 'cutaway' videos on YouTube though, because it didn't seem quite so scary after watching them. And, I must say, everything happened exactly the way that I was told it would, so that certainly increases my confidence level in the equipment too. I'm just glad that my instructors kept drilling me on emergency procedures, and how to deal with them, because IT WORKS!!!
dks13827 2
Ron,
This is Andy( recognize me from the avatar?)
You actually experienced two malfunctions and handled them both absolutely properly. I'm very impressed with your situational awareness and heads-up actions.
1. When the bridal got wrapped around your arm, you experienced one type of horseshoe mal function.
2. Then the canopy opened into severe line twists that you were unable to resolve.
You fixed the horseshoe by getting the bridal off your arm and you handled the severe line twists by the cutaway and reserve deployment. You did it when you realized it wasn't going to get fixed. YES! And you got it done above your decision altitude. Who could ask for anything more?
As far as the handles? Hell, I'm surprised you hung onto to one of them. Handles are the least of our worries at crunch time.
If anybody here gives you crap about your mal or how you handled it, I want to know about it.
Now having said that, I'm going to give you crap for the lousy main deployment handle throw and we'll talk about how to more efficiently resolve line twists. See me when you get back.
Keep working on knowing your EPs on that study sheet I gave you.
Andy
(The EP Nazi)
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Quotewould this be considered a high-speed malfunction? in my canadian manual they say if you can't fix a high-speed malfunction on the first try with the rear risers, ditch it right away because you're losing altitude too fast.
I question this. I want to hear from experienced Canadian skydivers about this.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteHello All,
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I went through the steps that I was taught: 1) Look for my cutaway handle, and place my hand on it, 2) Locate my reserve handle, and put my hand on it, 3) Arch, pull the cutaway, then the reserve. I had trouble finding the cutaway handle though, for a couple of reasons. First, I was wearing a red jumpsuit, which was the same color as the cutaway handle, and secondly, the handle was higher up than it was while I was practicing, since the main chute was partially open.
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Was all your practice just standing in your rig? Do you have access to a hanging harness? Handles can move several inches from their normal position once you're suspended under a canopy.
All in all, sounds like you handled the situation well to me

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Roger "Ramjet" Clark
FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519
LMAO! You know, I was thinking that the name Andy sounded really, really familiar, and then this morning it dawned on me who that is. And, yeah, your avatar totally resembles you.
Anyway, thanks for that, and the other user who said that you're the one to talk to was absolutely right. I really appreciate the time you spent talking with me about EP's, and I have been studying everything on that list too.
OK, thanks again for everything Andy, I sincerely appreciate all of it. You're an awesome teacher! Can't wait to come back and jump again, hopefully it will be very soon. Take care.
Ron
@ RogerRamjet: To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a hanging harness there or not? I'll have to find out. But, you're right, that's exactly what the issue was, the handles were much farther up, than they are when I'm on the ground. I guess that's pretty much common sense though, so it probably should have crossed my mind at some point, huh?
Quote@ RogerRamjet: To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a hanging harness there or not? I'll have to find out. But, you're right, that's exactly what the issue was, the handles were much farther up, than they are when I'm on the ground. I guess that's pretty much common sense though, so it probably should have crossed my mind at some point, huh?
A lot of survival in this sport is "common sense." Keep thinking and keep learning; no one knows it all...
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Roger "Ramjet" Clark
FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519
Divalent 75
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. I had trouble finding the cutaway handle though, for a couple of reasons. First, I was wearing a red jumpsuit, which was the same color as the cutaway handle, one.
hmm that point is interesting. my opinion is your instructor should have never allowed to jump like that.
glad ur ok and managed to land safely in the end.
and congrats on passing your aff.
I agree. Most experienced AFF I's are well aware of the need for contrasting colors on cut-a-way handles and jumpsuits. Some resolve this problem quite easily by simply putting a stripe (black for example) on the cutaway handle. Locating your handle quickly could make a difference some day. You did great. But take this lesson away with you.
With your experience I think you did the right thing. Right now you lack situational awareness. You took positive action based on your training and walked away. One day when you are more aware and experienced you may be able to fix problems you would have cutaway as a student. ( I had a couple of low speed partial malfunctions that I probably could have fixed. ) Remember, there are some that are just BAD! There are things you can't fix, and there is no point in burning altitude when you can get a canopy over your head.
Many people come to grief trying to fix things until time runs out.
Fewer have been hurt by performing proper emergency procedures in a questionable situation.
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