kallend 1,621 #1 July 29, 2012 Lots of WS activity at Summerfest today.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #2 July 29, 2012 Scotty make sunset load? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #3 July 31, 2012 Some very nice 36 way diamonds yesterday. I expect someone will post pics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #4 July 31, 2012 Apparently the 27 way we did this morning was "gridded" and is a new Illinois state record.I expect SOMEONE will post pictures. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #5 August 1, 2012 Congrats! That's AWESOME!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #6 August 1, 2012 Yep - pictures coming up later today.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #7 August 2, 2012 Pictures from Tuesday - including the new Illinois state record - are now at http://skwrl.smugmug.com/Skydiving/Summerfest-2012/24511381_JHbVDk#!i=2000825373&k=HbLvhjXSkwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pms07 3 #8 August 2, 2012 In addition a new state record this was a really awesome event overall! Super leadership by Taya and Purple Mike, flawless video coverage by Skwrl and Hoover, and a really fun team to fly with. We also had a great learning environment with visible progress pretty much every jump. My thanks to all that made this event happen. As a bonus, I was there for "Skwrl in tow" and Sherpa adventure dives that you really had to experience to fully appreciate... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnia 0 #9 August 3, 2012 The big way camp earlier this week was really fun and educational. Thanks to Taya and Mike for being great organizers! We only have a couple days of Summerfest left, but we still have a big group of wingsuiters here doing big flocks, small flocks, rodeos, docking jumps, performance runs, and first flights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #10 August 3, 2012 The rest of the pics are now up at http://skwrl.smugmug.com/Skydiving/Summerfest-2012/24511381_JHbVDk#!i=2000827859&k=gnB8vcm This event was a lot of fun for me; I really enjoyed seeing a lot of my wingsuiting friends and getting to check out the local marina. As an aside, let me offer up the following observation: the revised grid requirement (the "27% grid") is fiendishly hard for a large formation to meet. You'll note a bunch of very, very pretty 36 way formations in my and Hoover's pictures that don't meet the 27% grid. To be clear, I'm not arguing to alter - or not alter - the grid or to start a long conversation about whether the grid is the right method or whether we should use a lattice method, a complex algorithm, or some other method that requires non-Euclidean geometry, fractals, and CERN to measure. (I personally don't care, I just take the pictures.) But it's pretty obvious that the revised grid is a challenge to meet, particularly when you get to formations bigger than 20 or so.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #11 August 3, 2012 Jeff, it's also interesting to note that some of my photos which I am fairly sure were taken at the exact same moment as yours (like the one on the last jump immediately before breakoff) fit into the grid slightly differently. This is probably due to (a) different barrel distortions in our lenses and (b) centering, or lack thereof, over the flock. I noticed for the whole event I was flying probably 20-30ft further forward than you when taking my "grid shots." So either I am forward too far, you are backward too far, or some combination of both. But it is really easy to see that moving back increases the apparent angle between the two leading edges of the diamond. If that angle (true measure) is less than 90, you can move back to a certain point where it will measure 90 on the photo (although at this point you're much nearer to the rear of the formation, so you've introduced other problems if perspective into the grid). Like you, I don't really care, I just take the pictures. But the above observations may be useful for those who do care. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #12 August 3, 2012 Agreed with that 100%, Matt - there's definitely parallax, and I think you've diagnosed the sources of the problem pretty well. Of course, that raises the tricky problem of "how do you know where the camera dork is precisely in the right spot when the record pic is taken?" These are the some of the many questions that will be slugged out by those who get excited about these sorts of things...Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #13 August 3, 2012 Firefox didn't like your clicky... Awesome Skwrl pictures of sweeeeeeet SummerFest wingie action!!! At least mine didn't anyway. Nice work by all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #14 August 4, 2012 Nice pictures. I see a lot of sexy talented people there. Firefox works here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #15 August 4, 2012 Quote To be clear, I'm not arguing to alter - or not alter - the grid or to start a long conversation about whether the grid is the right method or whether we should use a lattice method, a complex algorithm, or some other method that requires non-Euclidean geometry, fractals, and CERN to measure. Spoilsport! Quote But it's pretty obvious that the revised grid is a challenge to meet, particularly when you get to formations bigger than 20 or so. Indeed, you can fly a perfect, absolutely uniform diamond** with all the lines exactly straight and still not fit the grid if the apex angle is just a few degrees away from 90. Maybe we should all carry protractors on the jumps. ** a diamond as seen on a playing card is not square, but the grid we use is square.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #16 August 4, 2012 QuoteThe big way camp earlier this week was really fun and educational. Thanks to Taya and Mike for being great organizers! We only have a couple days of Summerfest left, but we still have a big group of wingsuiters here doing big flocks, small flocks, rodeos, docking jumps, performance runs, and first flights. AND we got to watch the freeflyers complete a new head down world record!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #17 August 4, 2012 Quote Quote To be clear, I'm not arguing to alter - or not alter - the grid or to start a long conversation about whether the grid is the right method or whether we should use a lattice method, a complex algorithm, or some other method that requires non-Euclidean geometry, fractals, and CERN to measure. Spoilsport! Quote But it's pretty obvious that the revised grid is a challenge to meet, particularly when you get to formations bigger than 20 or so. Indeed, you can fly a perfect, absolutely uniform diamond** with all the lines exactly straight and still not fit the grid if the apex angle is just a few degrees away from 90. Maybe we should all carry protractors on the jumps. ** a diamond as seen on a playing card is not square, but the grid we use is square. These are concerns that I raised at a gathering a couple of years ago. Camera angle, lens distortion, etc... that were all essentially disregarded at the time ... "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #18 August 5, 2012 why the need for an objective measure (which is obviously almost impossible to meet due to technical reasons) ? let's have a subjective validation of records : everybody happy : record validated scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #19 August 6, 2012 For those of you who have not been caught by the Facebook trap (not to be confused with the Donohue trap), here are my photos from the event: CLICKY Thanks to Taya and Mike for safe and thorough organizing. Thanks to all the flyers for being there. It was great to see old friends and make some new ones.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #20 August 9, 2012 Hi Matt and Jeff, Were any of the Summerfest videos posted anywhere?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #21 August 9, 2012 Matt is going to be editing together a video. I still need to cull my video to get him my stuff; I am aiming to send him much of that tomorrow.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperGirl 0 #22 August 10, 2012 QuoteAs an aside, let me offer up the following observation: the revised grid requirement (the "27% grid") is fiendishly hard for a large formation to meet. You'll note a bunch of very, very pretty 36 way formations in my and Hoover's pictures that don't meet the 27% grid. not trying to start the old fight though I'm probably gonna get some bs going for saying this anyway... but can I remind you that something called a record is not supposed to be easy? pretty sure that if all our wingsuit flyers had the same level of skill and jump numbers as the freeflyers on the head down record, we'd have an easier time fitting any grid. that aside, interesting to see you guys get different results with pictures taken at slightly different positions/angles. and kallend gets to say "told you so" for the millionth time... whatever. all in all, it was an awesome boogie and the group of people there was a lot of fun to fly (and party) with. Both the bigger-ways and the fun acro and rodeos and other crazy shit from the second weekend. we got some sick pictures and video, and some long lasting fun memories. that's all that matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #23 August 10, 2012 Quotewe got some sick pictures and video, and some long lasting fun memories. that's all that matters. +111www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #24 August 10, 2012 Quotethat's all that matters. Agreed. Goals should be hard, or else nobody will choose them as their goals. Nobody wants to aspire to the "most months of not sticking a Crayon up his nose" record. (Well, nobody except Skwrl, circa 1975. But those damn things just looked like they would fit! How can that kind of temptation be resisted, I ask?) Quotekallend gets to say "told you so" for the millionth time I think you're low by an order of magnitude.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnia 0 #25 August 10, 2012 I hope your solo formation load jump is included. Most entertaining video of the boogie. Great boogie, overall, so much fun jumping with all of you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
