jc1513 0 #1 December 9, 2011 Any know wear i can buy some XRW risers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nickfrey 0 #2 December 9, 2011 QuoteAny know wear i can buy some XRW risers? Not trying to be a dick, but if you have to ask... And your referring to them as XRW risers, there are probably a few other questions you should be asking first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt002 0 #3 December 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteAny know wear i can buy some XRW risers? Not trying to be a dick. What would these questions be, and why not call them XRW risers? Care to add something more useful? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electronaut 0 #4 December 9, 2011 They've been around for a long time, they are called trim tab risers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jc1513 0 #5 December 9, 2011 Trim tab risers thanks. As far a questions i would ask wear do i find them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electronaut 0 #6 December 9, 2011 Ask CRW dogs and/or manufacturers. They aren't a common thing, obviously. I've seen sets around UPT before and JT used risers supplied by Sunpath (if I recall correctly) for some of the first big (as in published) XRW stuff he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #7 December 9, 2011 QuoteAny know wear i can buy some XRW risers?I made mine. be careful. There is more to XRW than risers. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #8 December 10, 2011 in reply to " be careful. There is more to XRW than risers" .......................................... A bit off topic praps, but has a wingsuiter tried using XRW risers flying a canopy at the same time they're still flying the wingsuit? Is it possible ? just wondrin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mortcj 0 #9 January 12, 2012 Please be very careful in who you would attempt to make this jump with. Things can go bad real quick if both of you if are not extremely experienced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #10 January 13, 2012 QuotePlease be very careful in who you would attempt to make this jump with. Things can go bad real quick if both of you if are not extremely experienced. Shame that one video with collision was taken offline...everyone only shows the glory moments. Nobody wants to see a 'wingsuit wrapped in a canopy' fatality. Be careful for sure..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixRising 0 #11 January 13, 2012 What are you referring to? Are you saying there was an XRW fatality involving a wrap? Seriously if there was its news to me, and I would like to know the details. Thanks JustinWingsuit organizing, first flight courses and coaching Flock University Tonysuits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #12 January 13, 2012 I'm saying there have briefly been some videos online of canopy/wingsuit collisions during XRW attempts. One with damage to the wingsuit (tore wing/gripper). Also several guys with high performance canopies/heavy wingload and issues releasing the trimmed risers at lower altitude. Those videos sadly where taken offline quickly, as they served a great example to show that its not all fun and games. Preventing a wrap/fatality from ever happening. If you're in freefall with a canopy wrapped around you, no silly plastic hookknife or AAD will be able to help you.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medusa 0 #13 January 13, 2012 Hi, Ill tell you a little bit about the XRW canopy pilots we fly with here in Lodi. Tj Langreen, has more than 10.000 Jumps Rob Pooley more than 6.000 Jumps Zak T, more than 5.000 You should expect to fly at high wing loadings of 2.8 minimum and this can go higher way higher and I won't discus any of this in here. So, you are not obligated to answer the fallowing. But I want you to ask your self the following - What is the highest wing loading you have ever jump. - How conformable where you with that wing loading. - What is the highest wing loading in a spinning canopy you have ever experience. - Would you be comfortable cutting away and deploying your reserve at that wing loading. - What is the highest wing loading you have land your reserve under. - Are you familiar with RDS. - how quick are you with RDS. - What is the smallest canopy you have jumped? - How conformable are you in case you have to land that highly loaded canopy out? Those are just some few things to think about.Medusa Get Killed or Die Trying! Patent pending ATFK15456 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medusa 0 #14 January 13, 2012 you mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0HZux-0Y4 2:18Medusa Get Killed or Die Trying! Patent pending ATFK15456 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #15 January 13, 2012 Quoteyou mean this? No...but a good example of trimtabs. Though great fun, Wingsuit Canopy formation flying should be concidered a stunt. And Im not sure online tips on how to do it are the best of things to do. Seeking experienced people out with personal and 1 on 1 guidence and assistance is a much better idea.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medusa 0 #16 January 13, 2012 stunt? Here in Lodi we are doing it on regular bases, we are turning point around the canopy. We are doing successful XRW jumps on every jump. Hand dock, Foot Dock, surf, Foot Dock, Hand dock. We are flying in between load with our messing around in the Dz operation. I think this could become a discipline with in our sport.Medusa Get Killed or Die Trying! Patent pending ATFK15456 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medusa 0 #17 January 13, 2012 stunt? Here in Lodi we are doing it on regular bases, we are turning point around the canopy. We are doing successful XRW jumps on every jump. Hand dock, Foot Dock, surf, Foot Dock, Hand dock. We are flying in between load with our messing around in the Dz operation. I think this could become a discipline with in our sport.Medusa Get Killed or Die Trying! Patent pending ATFK15456 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #18 January 13, 2012 Yes, stunt. Motorcross guys make 100 ft jumps on a daily basis as well. But that doesnt change the fact not every amateur with a motorcycle can/should do it. Stunt is not a negative word. It just implies its not something any wingsuit pilot can just 'give a try'. I see a lot of beginners asking about big wingsuits and XRW while they should be learning to fly closer to another persion in formation, instead of 6 ft apart, and learn to do fully in control docks on another wingsuit flyer. For a lot of people, its very YouTube oriented. And they'd rather look cool doing dangerous stuff outside their skills envelope, than focus on the basics (like all FS and Freeflyers do) first. Like you mentioned in your other post. Experience is important. Its not something just anyone who 'owns' a big suit can/should do. You need to have the experience to fly it, and than learn to fly it.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #19 January 13, 2012 in reply to "Stunt is not a negative word. It just implies its not something any wingsuit pilot can just 'give a try'. I see a lot of beginners asking about big wingsuits and XRW while they should be learning to fly closer to another persion in formation, instead of 6 ft apart, and learn to do fully in control docks on another wingsuit flyer. " ........................................ YES, it is a very dangerous stunt for the inexperienced wannabees you describe. for other people doing it systematically, and with due caution, it appears to be developing into a sport. Pretty amazing one at that. There is a good chance this crossover sport, ie XRW , could produce new unique equipment eg imagine if the canopy and WS were mutated into one thing. sort of a canopy/wingsuit. Not a good idea to stand in the way of progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam_Adams 0 #20 January 13, 2012 Quote For a lot of people, its very YouTube oriented. And they'd rather look cool doing dangerous stuff aaah i understand, thats why you don´t wear a helmet while wingsuiting in groups in your videos, to inspire the youtube generation... Quote And they'd rather look cool doing dangerous stuff outside their skills envelope, than focus on the basics (like all FS and Freeflyers do) first. that is also very funny. so you have never seen fs or freeflyers joining bigger groups than they should cause of lack of skill or awareness? well you might not know but as sad as it is, idiots are everywhere, you find them in every disciplin and in every profession. only thing you can do is to educate them when you run into them on a dropzone or in the end not allow them to join you in a too challenging jump. but changing their stupid behaviour here on the internet? by not showing awesome and inspiring videos that are pushing our disciplin forward? i love to see what my friends in lodi do and yes its not for everyone, but so isn´t what we see in videos from swooping competitions or the snowboarding in the art of flight dvd that just came out. Quote Shame that one video with collision was taken offline...everyone only shows the glory moments. Nobody wants to see a 'wingsuit wrapped in a canopy' fatality. Be careful for sure.. so it was a shame as well that the wingsuit/ canopy collision that happened on the last flock and dock didn´t make the event video (only glory moments as well hah?)? this video as well shows what happens when breakoffs go terribly wrong and we all have seen it but nobody posted it cause you asked everybody not to..... i agree its not a good idea to stand in the way of progress.You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #21 January 13, 2012 Not every design change and decrease in safety is 'progress' Upsizing suits and dents in airplane tails have shown even a simple exit is already an issue for some. Lets try to crawl and learn to walk before we skip running and go straight for flying. Rome wasnt built in a day...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #22 January 13, 2012 Quote aaah i understand, thats why you don´t wear a helmet while wingsuiting in groups in your videos, No, its because I dont carry two helmets to boogies abroad and every once in a while jump without my heavy camera setup (and enjoy wind in my hair). I also dont write 'jump without a helmet' tutorials on here. Those are jumps I do cause I like it. Im not saying on shouldnt do XRW. Just that we should be carefull not having every guy with 15 WS jumps in a huge suit aiming at canopies. Quote that is also very funny. so you have never seen fs or freeflyers joining bigger groups than they should cause of lack of skill or awareness? I think you'll find few freeflyers with 100 freefly jumps on their 100 way attempts, thats for sure. There are always idiots, but the general safety awareness and education is a lot more focussed on general skill and experience with the majority of the FS/FF community. Quote but changing their stupid behaviour here on the internet? by not showing awesome and inspiring videos that are pushing our disciplin forward? Where did I say that? The more videos the better! But like first flights. Educate people responsibly in person if you want to learn/teach them how to do it. Im saying should educate people on the safety aspects and not give them a play by play to copy it. We need to do that more responsibly. Quote so it was a shame as well that the wingsuit/ canopy collision that happened on the last flock and dock didn´t make the event video (only glory moments as well hah?)?this video as well shows what happens when breakoffs go terribly wrong and we all have seen it but nobody posted it cause you asked everybody not to..... What ever you're trying. Try harder, as you couldnt be more wrong. I even asked if I could use the videos for a flight manual. I was all for posting those. My event video was only my footage. I cant decide to post other peoples footage (nor do I have it). Im all for safety and all for progress, but we can we also be a bit sensible about how, and at what pace...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottygofast 0 #23 January 13, 2012 Quotein reply to "Stunt is not a negative word. It just implies its not something any wingsuit pilot can just 'give a try'. I see a lot of beginners asking about big wingsuits and XRW while they should be learning to fly closer to another persion in formation, instead of 6 ft apart, and learn to do fully in control docks on another wingsuit flyer. " ........................................ YES, it is a very dangerous stunt for the inexperienced wannabees you describe. for other people doing it systematically, and with due caution, it appears to be developing into a sport. Pretty amazing one at that. There is a good chance this crossover sport, ie XRW , could produce new unique equipment eg imagine if the canopy and WS were mutated into one thing. sort of a canopy/wingsuit. Not a good idea to stand in the way of progress. +1 I remember a time where we were all flying body bags... We were all going to die... Virtually everyone at my DZ, Skydive City here in Zhills, Told me I was going to die.. I was dumb... we were all crazy! All This before Flock and Dock 1. Anyone else remember that? I remember a time where you could count the number of wingsuiters on the planet with the amount of suits now hanging in my team room. Now look where we all are. One thing that is for certain, is that change is the only constant in life, as well as our sport. WE ALL have come a long way TOGETHER, and I intend for us all to continue to do so. Dont anybody do anything stupid. If you want to get involved in this new growing discipline, Find someone qualified to learn from... This shit's not easy, Things go badly quickly, so do it the right way. But than again, neither was flying a wingsuit not all that long ago.. Now im back off to reality, ya'll discuss my opinion as much as you'd like. That is all Blues to all Scotty BurnsZ Flock #11; Muff #1909; PFI #15, USPA Lifer Commercial Multi-Inst. Airplane/Rotory www.flyteskool.ws Aerial Photography Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottygofast 0 #24 January 13, 2012 Oh, and all you Noobs LEARN TO FLY SMALL SUITS FIRST PLEASE? Just cause you have 100 wingsuit jumps doesn't mean you need the biggest suit you can get your hands on... that's a good way to turn it into what they used to call em, Body bags... its alot more fun to smoke someone in a bigger suit while your in a small one.. and stop hitting the freaking tail of the airplane!!!!!! an extra second on exit isn't going to screw up your GPS data that much that you wont still be glued to the damn screen when you land with all your body parts in tact! Thanks for playing.. :) Back to our regularly scheduled programming/flaming..Z Flock #11; Muff #1909; PFI #15, USPA Lifer Commercial Multi-Inst. Airplane/Rotory www.flyteskool.ws Aerial Photography Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
