DSE 3 #76 November 20, 2011 Quote First, flocks with glide ratios of 1 to 1 can be fun if they're fast. Second, looks like I was right about larger suits, larger flocks, but the same performance ... Keep bendin' them knees.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #77 November 20, 2011 Its funny to see that the guy in the tunnel flies in a position we DO see in some flocks. And actually has NO forward speed at all. Still a massive suit. But aside from a bit slower fallrate, he could probably do the same tunnelflying in a classic....Like said before....suits grow...people bring more weight to compensate. yet performance in groups seems to be stuck at the same level... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #78 November 20, 2011 Quote Its funny to see that the guy in the tunnel flies in a position we DO see in some flocks. And actually has NO forward speed at all. Still a massive suit. But aside from a bit slower fallrate, he could probably do the same tunnelflying in a classic....Like said before....suits grow...people bring more weight to compensate. yet performance in groups seems to be stuck at the same level... I'd suggest that the position he's flying is incredibly common in flocks where you have mattresses combined with more typical suits. I *really* wanted to see him pop out his feet and sail off the wind into the trees. Put down some mattresses, see how far he'd fly. Where's Stoney when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #79 November 21, 2011 Quote Its funny to see that the guy in the tunnel flies in a position we DO see in some flocks. And actually has NO forward speed at all. Still a massive suit. But aside from a bit slower fallrate, he could probably do the same tunnelflying in a classic....Like said before....suits grow...people bring more weight to compensate. yet performance in groups seems to be stuck at the same level... Glide ratio is a direct measure of lift/drag ratio. This guy is producing no lift at all. The suit is stalled out. Even 1:1 is piss poor performance (drag = lift).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #80 November 21, 2011 Add lead!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #81 November 21, 2011 Quote Add lead! I shall when appropriate, but it has nothing to do with glide ratio or lift/drag ratio. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #82 November 21, 2011 The fact that you're adding lead, to fly in flocks with wingsuits doing speeds and glide ratios one can do in tracking or even FS suit (by your own words) has nothing to do with glide ratio and lift/drag? Funny man... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #83 November 21, 2011 Quote The fact that you're adding lead, to fly in flocks with wingsuits doing speeds and glide ratios one can do in tracking or even FS suit (by your own words) has nothing to do with glide ratio and lift/drag? Funny man... You just don't get it.Weight translates to speed. Speed translates to lift. Lift translates to glide. Ergo, the more weight you wear, the more glide available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #84 November 21, 2011 It's fun hearing people ask for 'european speeds' at boogies JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #85 November 21, 2011 Quote It's fun hearing people ask for 'european speeds' at boogies That was one of the most funny things heard at the camp after the Performance Cup, eh? LOL! "You guys fly like Europeans, it's just too fast!" The 2.5 min, 3.5 mile flocks were outstanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #86 November 21, 2011 Quote The fact that you're adding lead, to fly in flocks with wingsuits doing speeds and glide ratios one can do in tracking or even FS suit (by your own words) has nothing to do with glide ratio and lift/drag? Funny man... Glide ratio depends on lift : drag ratio, not on mass. Achievable fall rate and forward speed each depend on mass, but mass cancels out when you take the ratio. Basic aerodynamics. You should take some time to learn it, then you wouldn't have such conceptual problems.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #87 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote The fact that you're adding lead, to fly in flocks with wingsuits doing speeds and glide ratios one can do in tracking or even FS suit (by your own words) has nothing to do with glide ratio and lift/drag? Funny man... You just don't get it.Weight translates to speed. correct Speed translates to lift.correct Lift translates to glide. Define "glide". Do you mean "glide ratio"? Ergo, the more weight you wear, the more glide available.Without defining what you mean by "glide", that statement is meaningless. If everyone would use standard aerodynamics vocabulary it would reduce the level of misunderstanding around here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #88 November 21, 2011 Quote If everyone would use standard aerodynamics vocabulary it would reduce the level of misunderstanding around here. A-only a rocket scientist wouldn't know what I meant. B-If everyone were a rocket scientist it would reduce the level of misunderstanding around here, too. Alternatively, if the rocket scientists would pull their semantics out of their gashole, it might help reduce the level of misunderstanding around here too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #89 November 22, 2011 Quote Quote If everyone would use standard aerodynamics vocabulary it would reduce the level of misunderstanding around here. A-only a rocket scientist wouldn't know what I meant. B-If everyone were a rocket scientist it would reduce the level of misunderstanding around here, too. Alternatively, if the rocket scientists would pull their semantics out of their gashole, it might help reduce the level of misunderstanding around here too Rocket scientists rock. They actually get things done.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #90 November 22, 2011 Quote Rocket scientists rock. They actually get things done. Kinda like people flying smaller wingsuits, who do artistics and close proximity flockingJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #91 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote Rocket scientists rock. They actually get things done. Kinda like people flying smaller wingsuits, who do artistics and close proximity flocking And when their skills improve, they can fly larger suits too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #92 November 23, 2011 Quote And when their skills improve, they can fly larger suits too. They do...only not in situations where it negatively impacts those trying to fly really tight slots or grips next to themJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #93 November 23, 2011 Quote And when their skills experience improves, they can fly larger suits too. Most of your flocking was at "glide ratios around 1:1" and you stated that "1:1 is a piss-poor glide ratio" ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #94 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote And when their skills experience improves, they can fly larger suits too. Most of your flocking was at "glide ratios around 1:1" and you stated that "1:1 is a piss-poor glide ratio" ... in the same post he was also wondering why formation leaders were adopting such steep angles, which I understood as " hey, let's perform better"scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #95 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote Quote And when their skills experience improves, they can fly larger suits too. Most of your flocking was at "glide ratios around 1:1" and you stated that "1:1 is a piss-poor glide ratio" ... in the same post he was also wondering why formation leaders were adopting such steep angles, which I understood as " hey, let's perform better" Don't bother him with facts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #96 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote And when their skills improve, they can fly larger suits too. They do...only not in situations where it negatively impacts those trying to fly really tight slots or grips next to them And when their skills improve they'll be able to do that too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #97 November 23, 2011 Quote And when their skills improve they'll be able to do that too. I guess thats where your inexperience shows...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #98 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote Quote And when their skills improve, they can fly larger suits too. They do...only not in situations where it negatively impacts those trying to fly really tight slots or grips next to them And when their skills improve they'll be able to do that too. Are there still people so daft to believe that big suits have anything to do with skills (other than being a compensation for small dick and lack of skill?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #99 November 23, 2011 Quote Are there still people so daft to believe that big suits have anything to do with skills (other than being a compensation for small dick and lack of skill?) ssshhhhht don't tell everybody why I got a big suit scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #100 November 23, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote And when their skills improve, they can fly larger suits too. They do...only not in situations where it negatively impacts those trying to fly really tight slots or grips next to them And when their skills improve they'll be able to do that too. Are there still people so daft to believe that big suits have anything to do with skills (other than being a compensation for small dick and lack of skill?) So you agree that suit size and skill are unrelated. Progress is being made.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
