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World Record - Speed

 

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Hans

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Sep 1, 2008, 6:44 PM

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Re: [popsjumper] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

ThanX to all. To clear up any confusion myself and Morris from Germany tied for the fastest run at 2.44 seconds. I was flying a new velocity 103 loaded at 2.6


superstu

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Sep 1, 2008, 8:03 PM

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Re: [Hans] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Great job hans, can't wait to swoop with you guys again.


Peej

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Sep 2, 2008, 12:32 AM

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Re: [popsjumper] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Excuse my ignorance, i've been reading contradicting posts in various forums, have you guys finished CP nationals now? Or are they still coming up? If so, what were the results, who is on the team coming to SA later this year?

Thanks Smile


superstu

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Sep 2, 2008, 5:32 AM

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Re: [Peej] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Yup, it's over. attached are the Nationals final results which i think also includes how the guests did.
Attachments: 2008 nationalsopenoverall.pdf (23.9 KB)


selwynj

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Sep 2, 2008, 6:03 AM

Post #30 of 49 (772 views)

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Re: [Peej] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

www.swoopweek.com


DALAILAMA

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Sep 2, 2008, 7:06 PM

Post #31 of 49 (628 views)

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Re: [superstu] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

I have Amnesia after my speed round, so in my world, I am the King!
Congrats Stu!


Premier ianmdrennan
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Sep 2, 2008, 7:25 PM

Post #32 of 49 (620 views)

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Re: [DALAILAMA] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

The tight shorts cut off circulation to your brain. Combined with Alzheimers that comes with someone your age, that amnesia is to be expected Smile

In all seriousness, this was the toughest comp I've ever done with the level of competitors at an all time high IMO.

Nice job to everyone!

Blues,
Ian


piahenzi

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Sep 2, 2008, 7:50 PM

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Re: [ianmdrennan] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

.. I'm going to rig the FARM 2009 FLCPA meet so you can win .....and THEN you HAVE to wear your new tank top in the last round....Wink Yeah baby!!!!


AggieDave

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Sep 2, 2008, 8:18 PM

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Re: [ianmdrennan] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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In all seriousness, this was the toughest comp I've ever done with the level of competitors at an all time high IMO.


Hey, I was just jazzed to be on the plane with all of my "swoop heros," it was really a lot of fun!Smile


Peej

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Sep 3, 2008, 12:50 AM

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Re: [superstu] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Awesome, thanks Stu. And congrats to all you guys on your results Smile

edited to add: so will the selection process be top eight at Nats plus two reserves?


(This post was edited by Peej on Sep 3, 2008, 1:20 AM)


virgin-burner

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Sep 3, 2008, 1:08 AM

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Re: [yuri_base] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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Average speed is one thing, the speed at the entry gate another. We had speed measurements of up to 94mph in the past, so I guess we are closing in now on 100mph!


It is possible to roughly estimate the gate entry speed from the average speed and time.

When flying horizontally, you decelerate at the fraction of g that is equal to the reciprocal of your momental L/D:

a = g/(L/D)

For the rough estimate, one can assume constant L/D (which is not true - as you slow down, your canopy must produce the same lift - equal to your weight - at slower speed, therefore, it must change angle of attack and as a result, L/D is constantly changing. But for an estimate, the changes in L/D are relatively small if one exits the course with high speed still.)

Assuming L/D ~ 2.5, we have a ~ 0.4g.

If V0 is the gate entry speed and V1 is the course exit speed, average speed Vavg = (V0 + V1)/2 (for constant deceleration), and V1 = V0 - a*t, where t is time. So, Vavg = (V0 + V0 - a*t)/2 = V0 - a*t/2, and

V0 = Vavg + a*t/2 = Vavg + g*t/2/(L/D)

In this particular case, V0 = 28.6m/s + 9.8m/s^2 * 2.45s/2/2.5 = 33.5m/s = 120.6km/h = 75mph.


altough i never understand shit, i always love to read your posts that involve mathematics.. Smile

congrats to everyone!


BMFin

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Sep 3, 2008, 1:59 AM

Post #37 of 49 (551 views)

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Re: [virgin-burner] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe a stupid quiestion but whats up with Edson Pacheco doing 2.1 seconds on the CPC-speed run ? Isnt that quite a bit faster than 2.44 ?

Also where were Jay Moledzki and Jeffro ? Didnt they compete at all ?

It seems confusing to have several different competitions at the same time ? (CPC, PST, nationals)


marks

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Sep 3, 2008, 4:38 AM

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Re: [BMFin] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

cpc course is shorter. also the cpc uses 10 ft gates.


dharma1976


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Sep 3, 2008, 4:38 AM

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Re: [BMFin] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

I think cpc has different gate heights anything else guys...


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Sep 3, 2008, 6:34 AM

Post #40 of 49 (494 views)

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Re: [Peej] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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Awesome, thanks Stu. And congrats to all you guys on your results Smile

edited to add: so will the selection process be top eight at Nats plus two reserves?


No, only the top 8 go. If any one of the top 8 can't go then usually the next person on the list according to rankings is called and so on.

I've put in a bid to take on the Team Manager role, but I'll be there regardless Smile

Blues,
Ian


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Sep 3, 2008, 8:44 AM

Post #41 of 49 (451 views)

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Re: [ianmdrennan] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

It was great seeing everyone!! Can't wait to party again!!!


AggieDave

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Sep 3, 2008, 9:08 AM

Post #42 of 49 (438 views)

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Re: [superwoman8433] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Does anyone know who the lady was that took the high-res pictures of my crash? I had given her my e-mail address so she could send me the pictures, but I wanted to contact her. Schwartz might know her, but I don't have Uncle Pete's contact info.


freeflybella

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Sep 3, 2008, 9:52 AM

Post #43 of 49 (421 views)

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Re: [virgin-burner] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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Average speed is one thing, the speed at the entry gate another. We had speed measurements of up to 94mph in the past, so I guess we are closing in now on 100mph!


It is possible to roughly estimate the gate entry speed from the average speed and time.

When flying horizontally, you decelerate at the fraction of g that is equal to the reciprocal of your momental L/D:

a = g/(L/D)

For the rough estimate, one can assume constant L/D (which is not true - as you slow down, your canopy must produce the same lift - equal to your weight - at slower speed, therefore, it must change angle of attack and as a result, L/D is constantly changing. But for an estimate, the changes in L/D are relatively small if one exits the course with high speed still.)

Assuming L/D ~ 2.5, we have a ~ 0.4g.

If V0 is the gate entry speed and V1 is the course exit speed, average speed Vavg = (V0 + V1)/2 (for constant deceleration), and V1 = V0 - a*t, where t is time. So, Vavg = (V0 + V0 - a*t)/2 = V0 - a*t/2, and

V0 = Vavg + a*t/2 = Vavg + g*t/2/(L/D)

In this particular case, V0 = 28.6m/s + 9.8m/s^2 * 2.45s/2/2.5 = 33.5m/s = 120.6km/h = 75mph.


altough i never understand shit, i always love to read your posts that involve mathematics.. Smile

congrats to everyone!


Me too! Devil

Smarties are sexy...Angelic

(75 mph!)


(This post was edited by freeflybella on Sep 3, 2008, 9:53 AM)


superwoman8433


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Sep 3, 2008, 1:19 PM

Post #44 of 49 (366 views)

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Re: [AggieDave] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

I might have pics. of you, what are you wearing? Is your canopy the same as in your profile? If so, I think I have a few.

edited to add: I don't have ones of your crash though...sorry


(This post was edited by superwoman8433 on Sep 3, 2008, 1:21 PM)


AggieDave

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Sep 3, 2008, 1:55 PM

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Re: [superwoman8433] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

It is the same colors as in my profile, but LoudDan has the exact same colors on his canopy as well. I was really trying to find who I had talked to about the crash pictures.


flyangel2

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Sep 3, 2008, 3:35 PM

Post #46 of 49 (332 views)

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Re: [AggieDave] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Just to clear up what Dave is looking for.

He's not looking for the picture (yes, I only got one) that I took of his crash. He already as that one, plus he knows me and how to contact meWink


denete

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Sep 3, 2008, 8:02 PM

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Re: [ianmdrennan] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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I've put in a bid to take on the Team Manager role, but I'll be there regardless Smile


Make sure you've got your new passport or they might not let you leave. Tongue


Peej

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Sep 4, 2008, 12:49 AM

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Re: [denete] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post


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I've put in a bid to take on the Team Manager role, but I'll be there regardless Smile


Make sure you've got your new passport or they might not let you leave. Tongue


Hey hey, he's YOUR country's problem now, there's no way we want him back Tongue


Premier ianmdrennan
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Sep 4, 2008, 5:36 AM

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Re: [Peej] World Record - Speed [In reply to] Can't Post

Bastards.....all of you Laugh

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