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Forums: Skydiving Disciplines: Swooping and Canopy Control:
Safire 149 to Crossfire 139

 

 


hobie331

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May 5, 2008, 4:32 PM

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Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 Can't Post

I've been jumping a Safire2 149 and occasionally a Safire1 149. 1.4 W/L, 150+ jumps on them. I'm getting ready to try a Crossfire1 139 with the line modification.
What can/should I expect? And for Xfire jumpers, what's the difference between the 1 & 2? I'm just not getting much information in my readings between the two.
Thanks.


phoenixlpr

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May 5, 2008, 5:46 PM

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Re: [hobie331] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post


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What can/should I expect?

Going elliptical? Slower openings, funky openings, a bit lower point of flare, more bottom end flare.

One size down? More speed, longer recovery, more sensitive for harness turns.


Fast

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May 6, 2008, 9:05 AM

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Re: [phoenixlpr] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post


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What can/should I expect?

Going elliptical? Slower openings, funky openings, a bit lower point of flare, more bottom end flare.

One size down? More speed, longer recovery, more sensitive for harness turns.


I wouldn't charcaterize the crossfire as having funky openings, at least not the Crossfire2. By a long shot, it is the nicest opening canopy I have ever jumped, at least the one that I own (and still have despite mostly jumping a velo now)


Premier billvon
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May 6, 2008, 9:40 AM

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Re: [hobie331] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post

>And for Xfire jumpers, what's the difference between the 1 & 2?

Huge. I had a Xfire1 99 for a while and didn't like it one bit. I got the line mod done and that improved it somewhat, but didn't make it a great canopy. I sold it a few months later.

Now I have a Xfire2 109 (same size as I understand it; they changed their sizing rules) and I like it a lot.

Interestingly, I've been jumping the Safire2 109 as well, and in many respects I like it better than the Crossfire. Lighter front riser pressure, longer recovery arc, stronger flare, better openings.


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May 7, 2008, 12:25 AM

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Re: [billvon] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post

Bill, you already made this statement and I was really surprised at the time. But this year I have a Xfire 2 169 in my container, after 100 jumps on a Safire 2 last year, I made 60 jumps and I totally agree with your observation. I am really surprised by the Xfire2 and a bit disapointed: hard front risers, very difficult to maintain in a dive when the recovery has started. In this size and kind I prefer the Katana a lot or even the Safire/Sabre... Big surprise for meShocked


BMFin

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May 7, 2008, 1:11 AM

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Re: [billvon] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post

So you are saying XF 99 is about the same size as XF2 109 ?

Is this a fact ?


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May 7, 2008, 5:19 PM

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Re: [BMFin] Safire 149 to Crossfire 139 [In reply to] Can't Post

> So you are saying XF 99 is about the same size as XF2 109 ?

Nope, I messed that up. The canopy that they "changed the size on" was the Safire, not the Crossfire. (Also had one of them for a while, a 129 that I guess was really a 119.)

 
 
 


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