What is the proper way of handling a situation like this? Should you try jerking the static line or should you cut away and hope the student knows well enough to pull the reserve? I'm going through my static line progression(last static jump on Saturday and then my hop n pop).
Have to say I love the reaction of the instructor when it's all cleared.
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dumb !!!!!!!!!!!! since parachutes invented the procedure is for the student to put hand or hands on his head to show he is aware.... then cut the SL. dumb student and dumb instructor and dumb pilot !!! no knife !!! God that's dumb !!!
What is the proper way of handling a situation like this? Should you try jerking the static line or should you cut away and hope the student knows well enough to pull the reserve? I'm going through my static line progression(last static jump on Saturday and then my hop n pop).
Have to say I love the reaction of the instructor when it's all cleared.
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We have a 3 rind release in place for this situation. That was almost catastrophic. they were lucky the student was released when he deployed the reserve HUH??????
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I'm going through my static line progression(last static jump on Saturday and then my hop n pop).
Umm... they didn't teach you anything in first jump course what to do, as a student, if you end up in tow?
Agreed 101% .
To the OP- either they failed to teach this in your FJC, which is really bad, or you weren't paying attention when they taught it, which is really bad. Before you even start to make it a habit, stop trying to get basic skydiving instruction advice from strangers over the internet. You have instructors for a reason. Use them.
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They taught me what to do. Trust me, things like this are pounded into my head constantly since a lot of times I'm the only student around with 6 instructors and a bunch of tandem students. But I was more asking what anyone would think of doing if for some reason there was nothing to cut it with. Like it is in the video.
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dumb !!!!!!!!!!!! since parachutes invented the procedure is for the student to put hand or hands on his head to show he is aware.... then cut the SL. dumb student and dumb instructor and dumb pilot !!! no knife !!! God that's dumb !!!
Pretty much it. All S/L I's SHOULD have a hook knife as part of their gear! Don't rely on one being in the plane that anyone could take out.
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Agreed, we do static line training where I fly and jump. I'll be taking the SL instructor course this weekend. We keep several hook knives in the aircraft just in case.
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Keep in mind you always have a knife in a Cessna, even if you don't have a hook knife. (Which should be unthinkable).
Just smash the face of one of the instruments on the panel (one of the cheaper ones is best ) and use the glass shard to cut the S/L, hung up jumpsuit, whatever . . .
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Lol, smash the VSI...also works as an alternate static source if need be :) I usually have a swiss army knife in my pocket when I'm flying anyway. I've never thought about having to use it to cut away a student in tow, but you can pretty much fix anything in the world with a swiss army knife, duct tape, and a ballpoint pen :)
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Funny . . .
I saw the photos of this incident when the original thread was posted, but I've just now seen the video.
Not much to say about the Jumpmaster. Other than he was unprepared, panicky, and his mannical laughter after the fact should have been enough alone to give him the gate.
But I'm so very jealous of him . . .
I learned the Student in tow procedure in my first jump course. Then I learned the Jumpmaster procedure for a student in tow in my Jumpmaster certification course. Then I taught those procedures in every first jump course, and every Jumpmaster certification course, I ever taught.
And for twenty years I faithfully made sure I always had a pair of gloves, a hook knife, and my trusty carabiner when ever I was dropping S/L students. And I waited. Like a cocked gun ready to fire when the big moment finally arrived.
I even had dreams about it. The unconscious student is dangling below with no hand on the helmet signal. I hook myself onto the static line using my carabiner and with my knife clenched firmly in my teeth I slide down until I reach my student. I cut us both away and open the student's reserve. Then I deploy my main before swooping in on the student's canopy for a quick CRW hook up (hey, it's dream). Then I steer him down to an into the wind landing right in the peas. Then the USPA marches me up on stage in front of 35,000 cheering skydivers and hang the Medal of Jumpmastering around my neck. Then I wake up . . .
But the big moment never came. Everything else happened. Pilots passing out on take off, single engines blowing up at 1500-feet, I even got myself in tow once jumping a tandem rig. But no student in tow for me.
So yes, I'm jealous. The big moment finally came and it was wasted on that other guy . . .
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Not much to say about the Jumpmaster. Other than he was unprepared, panicky, and his mannical laughter after the fact should have been enough alone to give him the gate.
Opinions differ, but I'll still argue that maniacal laughter is one possible appropriate response, in the immediate aftermath of a dangerous event, showing relief at not having people getting killed, getting oneself killed, and not having the plane go down.
Panicky? In the sense of exhibiting great fear of something, yes.
But not in the sense of "unreasoning, irrational behaviour" as a result of fear. I haven't watched the video for some time, but I think the instructor searches the normal places for the knife to be, searches the glove box too, inquires with the pilot as to the knife's whereabouts, and tries to signal the student. Every one of those are appropriate actions ... even if done at a frantic pace and a voice at a higher pitch.
Given what he had been dealt with, is there anything better he could have done, at that very moment that the student hung up?
I could see an argument for him slowing down a little, which in some situations could lead to actions being done more successfully than when trying to do them very quickly. But that's easy to say when sitting at the computer and not having been there.
P.S. - At least the instructor will have his own "scary stories from the old days" to tell years down the road. Nick has his share already!
(This post was edited by pchapman on Sep 22, 2009, 11:17 AM)
