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More opinions on the Demon, anyone?

 


jerry81

Jan 13, 2004, 1:45 PM
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It's currently selling dirt-cheap in Europe. I don't know if this is a promotional price or a dumping strategy because of some issue that makes the canopy less popular.
Anyway, I've read about everything that's been written about it here on dz.com (even the stuff in german and french, although that took the better part of an hourTongue), but I still don't think I know much.
The things I'm curious about is how exactly it behaves in flight (how much oversteer, how fast are the turns, how it handles in brakes) and on landings. Roq mentions a negative recovery arc, some people mention it nearly stalls in swoops, general consensus seems to be it's really sensitive to pilot input, but at what wl? Is 1.6 (what I'd be loading a 130) enough for this canopy and do you think it might be too big a step-up in performance from the Impulse I'm flying now. (Which I'll have to return sometime soon.)
(edited; I'm calling up Stane from Atair tomorrow. I think he did some work on the design of this canopy)




(This post was edited by jerry81 on Jan 13, 2004, 1:48 PM)


Premier LouDiamond  (D 25931)
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Jan 13, 2004, 2:06 PM
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I saw this canopy being flown in Eloy before it was released for production and just from watching it being flown and it's landings, it is a HP canopy no doubt. As to what it might be comparable to I think is left up to the person piloting it to decide. I think it may find a niche in Europe, especially if it is competatively priced and flys similar to other HP canopies on the market. I haven't seen them being Demo'd anywhere in the US are they being demo'd in Europe at all?


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jerry81

Jan 13, 2004, 2:07 PM
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There are? Yes, I'm talking about the one from PV. Who makes the other?




Premier LouDiamond  (D 25931)
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Jan 13, 2004, 2:15 PM
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There are? Yes, I'm talking about the one from PV. Who makes the other?

Sorry, I had a brain fart and was thinking about the RAGE when I typed that.


grega  (D 100020)

Jan 13, 2004, 11:31 PM
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Let me be the first to say: DEMO

And i think stane could arange some demon for demo jumps.

Maybe i have some landings of it on tape from mondial 2003 in gap (france).


jerry81

Jan 21, 2004, 6:23 AM
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Just a quick update;
I called up PV today and arranged so that they'll send a demo for me directly to Stane. So, yes, Demons are being demoed in Europe, apparently both by PV and some of their dealers.
I feel a bit like a fool now. If I had called them on monday instead of waiting for them to answer my email (sent via form on their page, perhaps it's not even working properly) I might be flying the canopy this weekend already.




grega  (D 100020)

Jan 21, 2004, 6:32 AM
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Wohoo great news Smile
If you get it by this weekend. Can i do a dock on your PC while in flight (above 1000m) Wink, you will open at 3000m first time you'll fly it won't you Wink

Btw which size?


jerry81

Jan 21, 2004, 6:50 AM
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In reply to:
Wohoo great news Smile
If you get it by this weekend. Can i do a dock on your PC while in flight (above 1000m)
Only if you can catch meTongue...I asked for a 130. I'm really curious how it flies compared to your CobaltComp. And I think I'll make more than just one full altitude hop&pop with that canopy...frostbite, here I come!




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nicknitro71  (D 26704)

Jan 21, 2004, 11:24 AM
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To clarify, Is Stane (Atair) actually builing the Demons?

Thanks


davelepka  (D 21448)

Jan 21, 2004, 11:56 AM
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It's currently selling dirt-cheap in Europe

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Anything 'dirt cheap' is that way for a reason.


jerry81

Jan 21, 2004, 12:32 PM
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In reply to:
To clarify, Is Stane (Atair) actually builing the Demons?
Thanks
No, Stane only makes the Contrail, Spark and Quick for Performance Variable. The Demon and Cayenne are made elsewhere. I think I read somewhere (here on dz.com) that it's some off-shore outsourcing production, which would explain the current dirt cheap prices, considering the $ to rates at the moment.




cobaltdan  (D License)

Jan 22, 2004, 10:28 AM
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We are not producing the demon for performance variable. We do make all their other mains and reserves.

The demon was designed by michael (one of our designers) and is manufactured in Shri Lanka (which is how they can sell so cheap). I havent flown one yet but it looks like a nice design.

Sincerely,

Daniel Preston
Atair Aerodynamics
www.extremefly.com


roq  (D 105)

Jun 1, 2004, 5:15 AM
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I tested the Demon 70 load to 2,52
Review here in dropzone gear main reviews.

roq


theproduct  (D 32306)

Aug 22, 2012, 5:09 PM
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Im a packer and one of my cameraman clients has it in there back up rig, she absolutely hates it and on on windy days refuses to jump it all together


stayhigh  (F 111)

Aug 25, 2012, 9:23 AM
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you have just resurrected 8 year old thread.

Jesus Christ style!!


IMGR2  (D 21089)

Oct 26, 2012, 2:03 PM
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LOL

I have a couple Demon 75's and love em.


welder

Oct 29, 2012, 11:22 PM
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everyone seems to have good opinion on demon and this canopy is for sell from time to time so I would like to share my fillings.
I bought new domon 110 (wl ~ 1.7) and made around 200-300 jumps with it. All dz reviews were positive so I decided to give it a try.
I didn't really like that canopy. The openings were unpredictable - sometimes brutal, regardless of packing method. Didn't like the recovery arch and risers pressure (rather short RA and high pressure).
I bought it because was cheap, but if I had to choose one more time I would buy something else.
Canopy was easy to pack though.



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