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andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 1:52 PM
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jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 1:56 PM
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Re: [andie2skydive] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

you may need packing lessons if you are the one packing? if not maybe you should.

what kinda reserve rides? were they all form Cutaways? or were you not able to find your handle etc?


rgoper  (C 32349)

Jul 24, 2003, 1:57 PM
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What is this telling me. I love the sport

well, it tells you that you have your emergency procedures down allright. but for futher analazation, we would have to know what kind of mal it was that caused the canopy swaps. ie: line over, streamer, baglock, pc in tow? if you thinking the "sky diving gods" are telling you not to jump, then you jumping to the wrong conclusions. could've been just overreaction?


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 1:58 PM
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Re: [jtval] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

Two from cut aways one from a really messed up jump Hard pull and vent low


JDBoston  (D 26450)

Jul 24, 2003, 1:59 PM
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Re: [andie2skydive] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

Cutaways from what kind of mals? And I assume the 3rd was a Cypres fire?

Joe


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:00 PM
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the two cutaways may have been due to poor body postion on deployment...we need more infoWink''


edit. if it was a cypres fire..my "blanket advice" is ALTITUDE awareness


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andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:02 PM
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Re: [JDBoston] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Cutaways from what kind of mals? And I assume the 3rd was a Cypres fire?

Joe

First was a line over ceneter cell right off Aff, 2nd was seaver line twists. and third got the reserve out before cypres fired but we think that malfuntioned also. estimated pull Alt was somewhere around 1800 feet. Was jumping a rental rig that was for student use.


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:06 PM
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First was a line over ceneter cell right off Aff,
i guess you didnt pack it? that is mostlikely due to a poor pack job



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2nd was seaver line twists.
could be to poor packing. if the stows werent on correctly or if the bag was twisted while putting it in. most of the time I would say its poor body position



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and third got the reserve out before cypres fired but we think that malfuntioned also. estimated pull Alt was somewhere around 1800 feet. Was jumping a rental rig that was for student use.
hard pull..yikes. could be multiple things here. did they ever look at the rig and find anything worng with it? if you were open by 1800 then youre doing good! keep it that wayWink

edit well when did you try to open! usually newer jumpers are strill pulling around 45oo. remember if you are fighting with your hackey/ripcord for 2000ft. you may not have the altitude to get the reserve open if you started pulling at 2500ft. for info purposes..when did you try to pull and what were the chain of events? did you know what alti you were at when you decided to go for your reserve?


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andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:08 PM
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.hard pull..yikes. could be multiple things here. did they ever look at the rig and find anything worng with it? if you were open by 1800 then youre doing good! keep it that wayWink
The Faa rigger on the dz looked and the rig was converted from a ripcord to a BOC and he says that had somthing to do with it.

He also said that he was glad someone with 50 jumps used it before a student on an aff 1


(This post was edited by andie2skydive on Jul 24, 2003, 2:09 PM)


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:09 PM
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i just edited my post to present a new question check it outWink


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:13 PM
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My wave off was at 5000 tried 0nce tuged twice nothing Went at it again and I that was the first of many errors . In the procees of doing this I filled on my back at somewhere in the Alt of 3000 Agl. Righted my self and went for the silver , only after thinking this is way low the people look like cockroaches insted of ants. After that all I remember is a minute to 45sec canopy ride.


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jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:22 PM
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yea I can see how that can be very scary. flipping onto your back isnt good.
you have to keep your body position when pulling.
I KNOW you were freaked abou tthe hard pull but that is when it counts most.Wink

youve obvioulsy got the reserve rides down pat.Laugh

what have you dzo/intructors say? I can sit here and post my theory all day but they are ultimately the ones who should be able to point out what may have happened. Im no skygod. Hell Ive never even had a reserve ride. but Ive been around to see and understand them! I've studied the "what to do's" in every situation. the good thing is that you have landed safely each time. its a high number of reserve rides for so few jumps. ( it must get expensive as hell)
I would go through the sceneraio in my head and ask questions (LIKE YOU ARE, HEREWink) and choose your best advice. thats why this site is so awesome.

Have they told you they thought your body pos. needed to be looked at?
were you doing solos jumps or coach? this doesnt mean much in the grand aspect of things but I am curious if someone watched you as you deployed on any of these jjumps


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:28 PM
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Re: [jtval] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

I was up on a coach jump the presons also an aff instructor and when we got down and discovered that we were okay he looked at me and said

" that was one hell of a jump and as far as i'm concerned your good to go on your own"

I guess when you can cover all aspects of skydiving in one jump who wouldn't be able to do this again


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:37 PM
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Re: [andie2skydive] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

lol ! well if he felt good about your ability thats good!

I would work on those things though. have a plan next time.
Like. If i have a hard pull. I will watch my alti as I pull (it should be in front of your face anyway. just dont get FIXATED)
if I cant pull by (SET YOUR COMFORT ALTITUDE) then I will go to reserve etc.

have you done many practice pulls?
when I frist started I got line twists alot. I did a few jumps with nothing but practice pulls.
I would get out, get stabile and practice pulling. I would see if I could stay stable in the postion for a few seconds! I also worked on keeping a good heading and readin my alti on these jumps! fiarly simple tasks but if your they are your weak spots then you should try something like it

good luck!
btw- are you packing your own chute yet?
Id imagine your still renting? either way be particular abou tthe wqay you pack your chute it can prevent ALOT of troublesSly


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:40 PM
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Re: [jtval] 3 reserve rides in 50 jumps? [In reply to] Can't Post

Did PRCR's on this jump but not many times before.
I guess that's why people say get comfortable but not to much. Thanks for the advice I'll make a cutaway plan and stick to it.


Yes I pack my own and am still on retal gear guess it's time to buy!!!!


(This post was edited by andie2skydive on Jul 24, 2003, 2:46 PM)


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:43 PM
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no prob.
but dont just take my adviceWink
its good to have that plan but keep asking questions. you may have to adjust your plan in the midst of itUnsure


keep learning, and have fun!
btw- why did you delete your orig post?


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:46 PM
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Hit the worng button and now I can't get it back


diverdriver  (D 19012)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:48 PM
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Hit the worng button and now I can't get it back

DOH!!!


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:48 PM
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haha! ok !

I thought you got weird out about the advice! HAHA!
keep us informed on your progression. Im sure there are alot of ppl who have or could use advice on this subject


markbaur  (D 6108)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:51 PM
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you have to keep your body position when pulling.

Stability at pull time is good, but if you are below your pull altitude, it's time to pull regardless of stability.

Mark


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:52 PM
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No I want as much advice as I can get. seeing that this is not normal.

Smile

I will keep all posted on my jumping.

If this can or will help anyone great that's why I am here.


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:53 PM
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Stability at pull time is good, but if you are below your pull altitude, it's time to pull regardless of stability.

Mark
VERY GOOD POINT! I didnt even think to mention that!
see andy thats why is good to have a discussion about these things!Laugh what one may miss the other will bring up


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:54 PM
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That's the whole thing I was stable and good could reach the handle and all but I think I froze when I fliped on my back. Should I have pulled then?

When I was on my back I knew I was going low!


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jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:55 PM
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That's the whole thing I was stable and good could reach the handle and all but I think I froze when I fliped on my back. Should I have pulled then?

its not ideal top pull on your back but as Mark said if you are running out of time you NEED SOMETHING over your head.


andie2skydive  (Student)

Jul 24, 2003, 2:56 PM
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It almost felt as if I started to fall faster.

I thought I had enough time.


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