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scottbre  (A License)

Nov 8, 2001, 1:10 AM
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Ok, I have heard and read opposing opinions in various forms and forums on this, so let's get this sorted out.

It is my understand that students are required to have RSL's as part of their gear until they are off student status. Yet I have heard of a number of students who use gear that does not have an RSL. Is the RSL mandatory or not?

-Scott



Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Nov 8, 2001, 1:36 AM
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A RSL is in the BSR's. Remember BSR stands for Basic Saftey RECOMMENDATION's. Its highly recommended by the USPA.
Most students don't know hwat an RSL looks like so the assume they don't have one since most times they never have to hook it up or disconnect it during their gear checks.

A rainy day at the DZ is better then a Sunny day at work


FallinWoman  (C 32269)

Nov 8, 2001, 11:19 AM
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It is Basic Safety REQUIREMENTS, but under accplicibility, it reads, "Voluntary compliance with these procedures is in the best interest of both the participants and the general public."

SO it is not a "law" or anything, just seriously recommended. The only "laws" are the FAA regulations



NewGuy  (B License)

Nov 8, 2001, 12:33 PM
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CSPA's BSRs (not to be confused with USPA's BSRs) stand for "Basic Safety Rules" and states that "These are accepted by each member and member group as part of the membership agreement." (PIM 1, Section 2).

BSR 2.11 requires that all students use an RSL.

You see, in Canada, your hands (and brain) get colder and it is harder to reach cutaway pillow AND the silver handle. Plus, Canadians love rules... don't they?

Cheers,
NewGuy Cool



fred  (A 44905)

Nov 8, 2001, 12:42 PM
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Do experienced jumpers use RSL's?

It just seems to me like a bad idea... I like it for a first jump, when a student has no idea what he or she is doing, but eventually, isn't it safer to space out the cutaway and reserve deployment?




FallinWoman  (C 32269)

Nov 8, 2001, 12:48 PM
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fred,
check out the RSLs thread in this forum.... that is what the discussion is about....



Kirils  (D License)

Nov 8, 2001, 2:29 PM
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Hey, if I'm running a DZ, RSL's can save the cost of a Cypress or Astra fire. I think economics plays a part in the
consideration of RSL's.

Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability...


apoil  (D License)

Nov 8, 2001, 2:35 PM
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In reply to:
It is Basic Safety REQUIREMENTS, but under accplicibility, it reads, "Voluntary compliance with these procedures is in the best interest of both the participants and the general public."
SO it is not a "law" or anything, just seriously recommended. The only "laws" are the FAA regulations
I got into a big argument with a non-American USPA rated instructor over that.
He couldn't seem to grasp the concept that only the FAA makes regulations.

I too thought it was "recommendations" although it didn't sound right. Someone told me it used to be. What it is is a "requirement" in order for you to be a USPA member (even though they can be waived).

To an extent it's just semantics. To some folks a rule is a rule no matter who made it. To Americans it can be very important to understand what is a guideline, what is a rule and what is an actual law.





jumpervali  (D 19338)

Nov 8, 2001, 4:05 PM
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The USPA Basic Safety Requirements (BSR's) SIM 2001 section 2-1 part K-2 states that "all students are to be equipped with the following equipment until they have obtained a USPA A license" part K-2-b "a piggyback harness and container system that includes a single-point riser release and a reserve static line [FB]"
the [FB] means it takes a USPA full board of directors vote to waive.

Now for the post about saving money on cypres saves by making rsl's be on all students........lives not money is saved!

All USPA dropzones need to stick to the rules to remain a member, but with that aside. A lot of blood R&D, and years of knowledge went into these guidelines. The FAA is the ultimate authority in the tragic event of a fatality, but to not follow the BSR's sets our sport up on the stand to be ruled on by a higher governing body than the USPA. Here in the states a dropzone would be getting sued left and right if not for the USPA and BSR's as a guideline. There then would be no place to jump! When a student is licensed they then can make their own educated decision about a RSL.

I personally don't have them on any of my own rigs.

jumpervali



skymedic  (C 33561)

Nov 9, 2001, 7:38 AM
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I thought the new FFA regs that just came out just required an AAD to be installed on all students....but who knows I am always wrong with stuff anyway..

Marc
Because I fly, I envy no man on earth


scottbre  (A License)

Nov 9, 2001, 7:49 AM
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Students DO have to have AAD's but that isn't what I was asking about. I was asking about RSL's.



skymedic  (C 33561)

Nov 9, 2001, 9:09 AM
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I know you were...I was just saying that is what our gov't agency has said needs to be there and not the RSL...

Marc
Because I fly, I envy no man on earth



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