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gowlerk  (C 3196)

Nov 11, 2017, 10:53 AM
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HPC wrote:
Because as I mentioned in my OP, jumpers either love Racers or hate them. I've never seen a piece of skydiving equipment polarize a group as much as this rig.


Not all jumpers have strong feelings about them. But jumpers in general get stupidly emotional about the strangest things. Whether it's gear choice and especially AAD choice, training methods, or disciplines, so many jumpers think that the only way to do things is the way they learned.


councilman24  (D 8631)

Nov 11, 2017, 11:15 AM
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Not in the thread about age, which I was referring to where you didn't like rounds being brought up.


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM
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Like you, I'd love to hear from someone who won't pack them, and their reason why (other than the Canadian rigger who posted that 2-pin reserves are a separate rating that he doesn't have, and wouldn't be worth getting).

If it has a speed bag instead of a standard freebag...No I will not pack it.

The Speed Bag uses rubberbands instead of a stow pouch. This means that is is more prone to a freebag lock than the standard freebag simply because it has more locking stows.

It was not long after the release of the Speed bag that a girl died using one in NJ which attributed to the death according to the investigator on site.

If you end up with a mess like this, the last thing you want is a bunch of locking stows to have to pull out before you can get the canopy out of the bag.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FJp0Ku-6gg

or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSivezl80E


I used to train riggers on the finer points of the Racer. No longer since they went solely to the Speed Bag.


MEL


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 11:44 AM
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But jumpers in general get stupidly emotional about the strangest things.
Isn't that the truth!!Unsure


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 11:49 AM
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Re: [councilman24] Packing Racer Reserves [In reply to] Can't Post

But this is a totally different thread!
So now we're crossing threads??
Threads should be viewed individually, just like riggers view each rig/reserve individually before they decide whether or not to pack them.
Again, my thread regarding the Racer stipulated a PDR reserve, quite clearly. Could we please stay on this thread and not confuse things by crossing apples and oranges?


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 11:53 AM
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Re: [masterrigger1] Packing Racer Reserves [In reply to] Can't Post

EXCELLENT information, thank you. I will look into this with P-Labs and get their take on it.
I love it when a poster includes lots of information and references. Great post!


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 11:56 AM
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I used to train riggers on the finer points of the Racer. No longer since they went solely to the Speed Bag.
Do you know about when they went solely with the speed bag? Or if a standard freebag is still an option? Thanks.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 12:11 PM
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Looks like his rig was an Aerodyne - elongated middle ring.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 12:15 PM
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By the way fill in your profile so we know who the hell we're talking to.Mad
Sorry, no can do. I'm the Phantom Swahili Skydiver on a mission to teach DZ.com forum posters Swahili so that they can understand my posts.Wink


councilman24  (D 8631)

Nov 11, 2017, 12:20 PM
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You crossed posts in post 33 No profile I'm done.


gowlerk  (C 3196)

Nov 11, 2017, 12:23 PM
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councilman24 wrote:
You crossed posts in post 33 No profile I'm done.


Yup, I'm pretty sure HPC has an agenda and is not willing to disclose it. I'm out as well.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 12:30 PM
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Yes, I have an agenda - it's to find out why some riggers won't repack reserves in Racer rigs. It's that simple, and it's nothing more than that. Thanks to those posters who stuck to the subject and provided great info - you know who you are, your help is much appreciated.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 12:35 PM
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If you really wanted to know why I asked the question regarding packing Racer reserves, instead of assuming I had an agenda all you had to do was post the question "Why do you ask?"
I would gladly have answered.
Of course, it's easier and faster to just make an assumption that is probably wrong rather than ask someone a question and get the truth.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 12:52 PM
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No, I didn't cross posts. I merely commented that the guy's rig in the youtube video provided by another poster was jumping an Aerodyne rig, and not a Racer. It was a relevant observation. What's the title of the post I crossed?


(This post was edited by HPC on Nov 11, 2017, 1:44 PM)


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Nov 11, 2017, 1:00 PM
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Looks like his rig was an Aerodyne - elongated middle ring.

Both rigs in the videos were other than Racer rigs.Thank goodness! They probably would be dead if they had a Speed Bag instead of a standard type freebag.

MEL


Hooknswoop  (D License)

Nov 11, 2017, 1:28 PM
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My feeling is there are TSO'd equipment and if someone wants to tamper with any rig - its possible without leaving any obvious signs. Anyone I pack for I'm more than happy to tighten the reserve pilot chute as the pack job settles.

Im not talking tampering. Just normal use and good intentions. I have heard of the owner causing an extremely hard pull after tightening the closing loops to fix a raised PC.

Tacking the extra loop does not solve this issue.

Derek V


Premier faulknerwn  (D 17441)
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Nov 11, 2017, 1:31 PM
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Can you provide a link to an incident report or something about that Speed Bag Incident? I have been jumping Racers (with all sorts of reserve bags) for 25 years and have never heard of a Speed Bag contributing to a fatality.

And I am a rigger, and I own 12ish Racers, and have had over 20 reserve rides on my Racers over the years (CRW, spinning ellipticals, other random things - none the container's fault), with varying types of bags.

That saying I am not a huge fan of the speed bag but they don't scare me.


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Nov 11, 2017, 1:34 PM
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Can you provide a link to an incident report or something about that Speed Bag Incident? I have been jumping Racers (with all sorts of reserve bags) for 25 years and have never heard of a Speed Bag contributing to a fatality.

Talk to Dave DeWolf about it. He investigated it for the DZ as I recall.

MEL


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 2:13 PM
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Was there a problem with the standard bag that caused them to change over exclusively to the speed bag? If so, do you know what it was?


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Nov 11, 2017, 2:22 PM
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No problems with the standard bag.

The new Freebag was geared to the head down people.


HPC

Nov 11, 2017, 2:28 PM
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It's a shame then that they don't offer the standard bag to those who want them. It should be an option.


RMURRAY

Nov 11, 2017, 3:39 PM
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i use the speedbag for my main for years. no issues at all.


Hooknswoop  (D License)

Nov 11, 2017, 4:04 PM
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i use the speedbag for my main for years. no issues at all.

How many unstable deployments in those years?

Derek V


RMURRAY

Nov 11, 2017, 4:15 PM
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i would have absolutely no issues using the reserve speed bag. my rig is just old so does not have one.


skytribe  (D 9403)

Nov 11, 2017, 4:19 PM
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Hooknswoop wrote:
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My feeling is there are TSO'd equipment and if someone wants to tamper with any rig - its possible without leaving any obvious signs. Anyone I pack for I'm more than happy to tighten the reserve pilot chute as the pack job settles.

Im not talking tampering. Just normal use and good intentions. I have heard of the owner causing an extremely hard pull after tightening the closing loops to fix a raised PC.

Tacking the extra loop does not solve this issue.

Derek V


But your concerned about people tightening the loops (which is tampering). How often does that really happen - especially if you make a point of letting the jumper know that if the pilot chute sits up then bring it back and i'll tighten it.

I have more concern with other riggers opening pack jobs that they didn't do to put in AAD's and then thinking its acceptable to reseal the pack job in direct violation of AC105.

Not that I'm advocating it but just a thought (thinking out load) - is it possible to seal the free ends of the quickloop and then put them under the cap - that way they would likely be broken if otherwise used after the original pack job. Even paper seals could be used to seal the free ends together.


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