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HUPRA  (D 5203)

Feb 17, 2017, 2:43 AM
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Anyone jumped the new Fluid Wings Airwolf yet and care to share their opinion of it?

http://www.fluidwings.com/airwolf


hodges  (D 108409)

Feb 17, 2017, 5:05 AM
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Oooooooh!


hodges  (D 108409)

Feb 17, 2017, 5:08 AM
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The first I've heard of this. Is it supposed to be a competition-only type wing?

Great to see these guys pumping out new stuff...!


Anachronist

Feb 17, 2017, 12:33 PM
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I'm not affiliated with Fluid in any way so don't take this as coming from them.

I do chat with some of them from time to time though. I get the impression that some folks didn't like the short-ish recovery arc of the Helix, though it is intended to be that way, so the AirWolf is designed to appeal to that audience.

It has been really interesting watching them grow. They really like to play with designs and try new things. Trying to appeal to jumpers across the whole gamut of flying styles and coming from other high performance wings seems to be quite a challenge.


Alexg3265  (D License)

Feb 17, 2017, 3:23 PM
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It fills the gap between the Helix and the HK/HS class. It is geared more towards a competition use, but very suitable for everyday jumping. There will be multiple options on construction depending on what you're looking for.

Longer recovery than the helix, and less sensitive... more suited to a comp environment


(This post was edited by Alexg3265 on Feb 17, 2017, 3:24 PM)


HUPRA  (D 5203)

Feb 19, 2017, 1:19 AM
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Sounds awesome. I put a couple of jumps on a Helix but found the recovery arc shorter that I liked, so this might be what I am after.


ledballoon  (D 33746)

Apr 20, 2017, 5:29 AM
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I jump a Petra usually,

The Airwolf is an awesome canopy. As with all Fluid canopies I've flown they build power in a unique way in the turn that is really satisfying, it feels connected to you like the Petra does but the nature of how it flies is very different

The Airwolf has a lot of harness response, a lot of rear power and is extremely fast. The harness response is like that of the helix accept the recovery arc of the Wolf felt considerably bigger to me. It's not as steep trimmed as the Petra, the Fluidtech material it's made of is very rigid and the whole package is very stable

Overall it's one of the most satisfying chutes to fly, one of the funnest canopy out there. It has all the usability of a freefall canopy and a ton of power and response. I'm not sure if it's the span wise line structure or what, but I found it really easy to get out and fully forward in the harness. Don't know why this is but just what I noticed

It doesn't have the float in deep brakes of the Petra, but the way it builds power in the turn is a unique and addictive sensation that makes you smile! I jumped a test prototype and I absolutely want one!! Scott Roberts is doing an amazing job and bringing all sorts of ideas to skydive and ground launching parachuting, if you're at all piqued by this canopy, get one you will not be disappointed

(I promise they don't pay me!)


Pobrause

Apr 20, 2017, 7:07 AM
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Any chance there is video of any Airwolf-action? Or HK-Terminal for that matter? The lack of footage of those two toys is torturing me.
Also, how does the airwolf compare to VCs or other older designs? I need INFOOSBlushBlush


sswain  (C 3743)

Apr 21, 2017, 7:22 AM
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It's not the video you're looking for, but cool to see the progression layout.
Attachments: Fluidwings.jpg (57.9 KB)


T_C

Aug 10, 2017, 6:24 AM
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Anybody have any more info/impressions of the Airwolf? Comparison to Leia/VK? Hybrid vs. standard ZP versions?


matthewncerda  (D 34217)

Aug 18, 2017, 10:30 PM
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So the only tri-tapered design canopies I've flown have been the HK and the Airwolf, so I don't have any comparable details (though I will be flying a Valkyrie next weekend) to other manufactures, but I can compare the Airwolf to the Helix, and older design cross-braced canopies.
The Airwolf, jumped a 79 at a 2.55 WL, compared to the Helix, jumped a 84 at a 2.4 WL, was much less responsive on the harness inputs.
The Helix was a little harder to control upon opening, the start of the turn was much quicker, and I was unable to dial-in the rollout with the limited jumps I did on it, always needing to over-correct what always turned out to be a very quick whip. It did recover quicker than the Airwolf, but with its ZP external and Sail internal design allowed for what felt like a faster horizontal speed. The canopy also needed to be transitioned to toggles a little sooner than what feels natural, but still carried as well as ZP with Sail internals can be expected to. I did feel that owning a Helix would, in the long-term, help me become a much better pilot because I would be forced to be able to fly my harness as square as possible and dialing in my harness input during the turn.
The Airwolf was definitely steeper than the Helix with a longer recovery arc and was much easier to fly on opening even with an increased wingloading due to the less responsive harness inputs. The turn, roll-in, rollout, and dive were all similar to older design crossbraced canopies, but with increased sensitivity and much more user friendly inputs needed. It has two variations that it can come in, one with FT-30 (which can be placed somewhere between ZP and Sail material, a great article was published by Fluid Wings and is available on their website on the FT-30 material) on I believe the crossbraces and top fabric, which had the awesome benefits of much more powerful rear and toggle inputs and carried forever, even after transitioning to toggles. The second configuration had less FT-30 but I didn't have the opportunity to jump that configuration.
The HK on the other hand, which I jumped an 84 at the 2.4 WL including a full RDS as opposed to only removable sliders on the other wings, is by far the strongest wing in their lineup, and comes in full-sail (I very unfortunately did not get to jump the HK-T which is a terminal version of the same wing with other changes to make it more friendly to terminal openings). The harness was more responsive than the Airwolf, but still less twitchy than the Helix. The dive and recovery were steeper and longer respectively than the Airwolf and the power in the rears and toggles was also more powerful. The canopy kept carrying and came to such smooth, easy stops.
If I felt more confident flying the HK in traffic, I would for sure be leaning towards that wing (probably the HK-T so I can fall longer before deployment), but as is, the Airwolf was the most user friendly wing with the most powerful responses and great dive and recovery with predictable harness inputs during the turn that I've had the pleasure to fly.
Disclaimer: I do not work for nor get any benefit from endorsing Fluid Wings, I just loved the damn canopies, all of them. Plus, I met the founder, and he was one the coolest, most intelligent people I've met in skydiving, which may or may not be saying much... ;p Plus, if you send your canopy to them, they'll do the reline for free, all you have to do is purchase the lineset.


28337  (D License)

Nov 28, 2017, 11:02 PM
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Still waiting for AirWolf reviews, opinions and comparings to VK and Leya.


I was chating with FluidWings on FB yesterday, can share some answers:

It dives harder than the leia and recovers more than the vk
It rewards you for knowing recovery ark

Harness is more intuitive than the vk
risers similar maybe slightly heavier but it enjoys the harness flight
Rears for days

And great low power flight.



danielcroft  (D 31103)

Nov 29, 2017, 12:32 PM
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28337 wrote:
... recovers more than the vk
More what?

28337 wrote:
Harness is more intuitive than the vk
Intuitive to whom exactly?

All my friends who have Airwolfs love them, I haven't had a chance to fly one yet (had a demo request in for some time) but, really looking forward to it. So, don't this comment as rubbishing Fluid I just think both of those points aren't actually useful as there's no point of reference.


daffes  (D License)

Nov 29, 2017, 1:26 PM
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With similar turn mechanics, I would start a 270 on a 75 hybrid type 1 (more sail-like material) Airwolf at roughly the same altitude as a VK 84, I started turning higher and had to bring it down.

I agree with what was mentioned above. It's a bit more harness sensitive than the VK and a bit less steep than the VK on full flight. The most similar canopy that I flew was the Leia.

The openings on the Airwolf have a longer snivel compared to the VK, but not super long like the Helix. The VK opens a bit too fast for my taste, the Airwolf seems to be on the right spot for me.


(This post was edited by daffes on Nov 29, 2017, 1:34 PM)


28337  (D License)

Nov 29, 2017, 11:30 PM
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danielcroft wrote:
28337 wrote:
... recovers more than the vk
More what?
I think it means "longer recovery arc"

danielcroft wrote:
28337 wrote:
Harness is more intuitive than the vk
Intuitive to whom exactly?
to guy who answered my questions :)


I found a guy who is first and the only owner of ArWolf in Russia, and after a short talk about it I like AirWolf more and more.


Alexg3265  (D License)

Dec 1, 2017, 2:27 PM
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https://youtu.be/v569hpZwrmg

quick mash up of opening, some flight and first two landings on an airwolf 90 @ 2.7 loading....


rjklein4470

Dec 2, 2017, 5:33 AM
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well how do you like it.


Pobrause

Dec 2, 2017, 6:11 AM
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FT30, Airwolf, HKT... I need demos in Europe!!!
Wouldn't you like you have a representative over here anyways? ;)
I hereby submit my application. Smile


Alexg3265  (D License)

Dec 2, 2017, 5:46 PM
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rjklein4470 wrote:
well how do you like it.

Daddy likes.... very much so.... I might be a little partial so take it with a grain of salt but yeah....

Compared to the helix, the openings require a little less concentration, since harness response is reduced, slightly quicker inflation, which i like.
In flight, like i said its less responsive in harness than the helix which does give it less of that connected feeling but it flies like its on rails, where the helix feels like its just begging to roll. The rollout is the biggest difference... its far far easier to keep in a dive, even with a sloppy turn. The helix has to be dead on, whereas this you can kind of huck it, let it ride and still be on the deck with plenty of speed. I can give you all anecdotal testimony all day but its all abstract and pretty meaningless.... you just gotta try one and see for yourself...


28337  (D License)

Dec 3, 2017, 1:59 AM
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Do you have any experience with Valkyrie? To compare it with AirWolf.


Antoine64

Dec 6, 2017, 11:19 AM
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I have an airwolf 71 that i load at 2.75 with the top skin in FT-30. My friend has a valkyrie 71 that he loads at 2.9 ( he is 10 pounds more than me) when we flew together, he was sinking just a little more than me. We both do a 450 at a same pace and he has to start it 100-150 feets higher. I start my 450 just 50 feets higher than i did with my old velo comp 79. I feel like the airwolf recovers faster than the valkyrie and flys just a little more flat. At ground level, with the fly sight, our speeds were pretty much the same.

Also, i feel like the ft-30 does an amazing job. Got almost 100 jumps with the airwolf snd the tissue is still as crisoy as new :)

Love that canopy !!


HUPRA  (D 5203)

Dec 7, 2017, 1:04 AM
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Hey Antoine can you give a comparison to your VC79?


Antoine64

Dec 7, 2017, 5:32 AM
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I can try :
On the fly sight for the same turn, i go 10mph faster on the air wolf at ground level. The gap was bigger than i tought between the two canopies. When i downsized from a velo 96 to a como 79 ( i had already 650 jumps on then96) the difference was very manageable. When i downsized from a comp 79cto an airwolf 71, the difference was huge !! I know i went from a "square" Canopy to a tri-tapered and downsized too. That was maybe a lot at the same time, had to be carefull. The thing that surprised me the most was not the speed but the harness response. I had to focus a lot in this.

Do you have any specifics questions ?


HUPRA  (D 5203)

Dec 7, 2017, 1:26 PM
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How did the Airwolf compare to the VC on rears and brakes at their respective wingloadings?


Antoine64

Dec 8, 2017, 9:59 AM
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Ok. Hard to compare to different parachutes and sizes together. I woukd say there is more power on both rears and toggles in my AW71, but they feel easier to pull, probably because the canopy is smaller.

Does it makes sense ?


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