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Extremely Interesting First AFF

 


almostok  (A 43677)

May 13, 2003, 12:31 AM
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I did my first AFF jump at Skydive AZ yesterday... What a jump!
Ok, here's a quick rundown, then I have a couple questions.

Before yesterday, I had done 3 tandem jumps (T1 + 2 T2s). Took
the 6 hr class on Sat. and was in the air on Sun. by 8am.
Anyways, freefall was awesome! Pulled at 5000.... and had
a line over. Half the parachute was inflated, the other half
tangled in a ball w/ the lines. I took a second to evaluate, started
a rapid spin, and cut away, pulled the reserve (Well, RSL got the
reserve out, but I sure as hell still pulled it!) .

So, basically, I did what I was trained to do and landed safely. :)
My questions are:
How common is line over out of all parachute mals?
Has anyone else had a mal (line over or other) on their first solo
jump?
Is there any way to (try to) fix a line over before cutting away?

Be glad to hear back... ;)

-- Amy


Casch

May 13, 2003, 12:46 AM
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Lineovers have been discussed here on the forums quite a bit, you could probably find a multitude of threads with more information than you could fathom...BUT I'll relay a bit from what I've learned.

During a lineover malfunction you are still going relativly fast and people more experience than you could imagine have not been able to actually cut the offending line(s) causing the malfunction with a hook knife. It IS possible to flare, pump the brakes and occasionally the line will "fall off" the canopy into place. But at our experience levels, cuting away is the only alternative. Do NOT try and fix it. You did VERY well my friend, VERY well.

Lineovers are probably in 2nd or 3rd place among canopy mals. First place goes to spinning linetwists. I've read more spinning linetwist stories than I can remember. Second place I would either give to lineovers or step-throughs.

So lineovers are neither common nor uncommon among canopy malfunctions, they're warm like baby bears pooridge Tongue

WARNING, A MEASLY 37 JUMP NOOB I AM. THIS IS MEARLY MY OPIONION ON THE SUBJECT AND I AM BY NO MEANS AN EXPERT


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AggieDave  (D License)

May 13, 2003, 12:52 AM
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There is a way to attempt to fix some line-overs, BUT here's what I teach my students: "Is it there? Is it square? Is it steerable?" Did it pass all three? No? Ok "look, grab, look, grab, peel, pull, peel, pull."

So what I'm saying is talk to your instructors about the possibilities of clearing a line over, they may tell you not to worry about it yet, or they may tell you some of the basics, but eitherway talk to them. Cool

Oh, and congrats on your first AFF jump and especially congrats on doing what was right on your first malfunction!Cool


tombuch  (D 8514)

May 13, 2003, 6:01 AM
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In reply to:
How common is line over out of all parachute mals?
Has anyone else had a mal (line over or other) on their first solo
jump?
Is there any way to (try to) fix a line over before cutting away?

It sounds like you had a great first jump. Congrats.

Lineover malfunctions should be rare, and are almost always caused by packing. As you learn to pack, ask your rigger what you can do to prevent that kind of problem...it's a pretty easy issue to eliminate with just a bit of care.

Can a lineover be fixed once it's above your head? Ummm, sometimes, but you should almost never try. It's a high speed and disorienting malfunction that you should cutaway. The exceptions are a BASE jump, or if it's on your reserve. From the BASE world we know the problem is usually caused by a steering line that moves over the nose. Ask your instructor or rigger to talk with you about that specific issue, or check in with a super experienced BASE jumper. That level of knowledge is probably not something that you need at this point, but as you gain experience you will find stuff like that helps you to really understand your gear, and it puts the importance of packing into context.

But, to repeat...do NOT try and fix a standard lineover on a regular skydive.

Tom Buchanan
Instructor (AFF, SL, IAD, Tandem)
Senior Parachute Rigger
S&TA
BASE-128
Author JUMP! Skydiveing Made Fun and Easy


SkyDekker

May 13, 2003, 7:06 AM
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Tom, great advice, we all learn from posts like this!

Quote:
Author JUMP! Skydiveing Made Fun and Easy

Shouldn't that be Skydiving?


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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May 13, 2003, 10:15 AM
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>Is there any way to (try to) fix a line over before cutting away?

If it looks like it might be fixable (i.e. most of the canopy is there, it's somewhat controllable) then you could try pumping the brakes. If that fixes it, great, do a control check and see if the canopy is really OK. If it doesn't fix it, then cut it away. (Note that even if you can't tell if it's OK, a controllability check will still tell you if it's OK or not.)

The reason you can do this, BTW, is that if it's mostly open and not spinning violently you have a little more time than you would with a high speed mal like a baglock.

If it's spinning and you can't even slow it down, or there is a large part of the canopy missing/not deployed etc, then it's pretty clear that it's a mal - get rid of it.

(Usual disclaimer - your instructor should be the #1 source of info; treat what you see here as background info.)


KenKnight  (D 28695)

May 13, 2003, 6:05 PM
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In reply to:
Has anyone else had a mal (line over or other) on their first solo
jump?

Well, with your 3 tandems, you had twice as many jumps as I did when I had my first cut-away. Mine was low speed, one steering line was tangled with the slider and wouldn't clear. It didn't pass the 3 S's, I cut it away. Actually one of my better landings during AFF.Smile



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