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fonzi

May 12, 2003, 5:39 AM
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hi @ll,

i searched the web and this forum for a detailed explanation where the phrase "blue skies, black death" originally comes from. unfortunately with no satisfying outcome.

too many people these days use this phrase without really knowing where it comes from and what its origin is.

curious about the replies here.

RHYTHM AND BLUES[kies]
fonzi


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 12, 2003, 5:48 AM
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I think it referred to the learning curve in the bad old days...if you were lucky enough to get past the first
20-30 jumps you were in! Fatalities for low time jumpers were higher back then. Now-a-days students
are looked after and the fatality rate for them is very low.
So in the bad old days once you knew you shit it was
blue skies all the way!

....mike


fonzi

May 12, 2003, 5:51 AM
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... any links on the www for detailed historia, like who invented it ... a.s.o.?

fonzi


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nacmacfeegle  (D 11004)

May 12, 2003, 5:53 AM
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Try a search for "black death" on this forum, you'll probably find what you want.

For example, this from Quade
"We learned that the bright blue friendly sky was balanced, yin/yang style, by a dark forboding ground. Since the ground snuffed the life it was/is death. Unsafe practices, as a group were termed black death. The exit count used by my 8-way teams and several others was Blue sky/ Black Death. Sport parachuting became Sport Death. While the Black Death thing was an insider thing which translated to Hey yall, lets avoid danger up there it later got adopted and/or banned by folks who did not and do not understand what it means.

So just as goodby means God be with you

Blue sky/black death is a salute to the sky/earth that means something like lovely up there/watch out. "

THere's loads of threads about it.


(This post was edited by nacmacfeegle on May 12, 2003, 5:56 AM)


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 12, 2003, 6:02 AM
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Cant remember, but I did read it somewhere...which
does not make it factual in any way.
...mike


diverdriver  (D 19012)

May 12, 2003, 6:05 AM
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Blue Skies = may your days be bright and sunny so you can go skydiving.

Black death = if you have to go in I hope you are unconscious and don't see it coming.


jerry81

May 12, 2003, 6:09 AM
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In reply to:
For example, this from Quade
"We learned that the bright blue friendly sky was balanced, yin/yang style, by a dark forboding ground. Since the ground snuffed the life it was/is death. Unsafe practices, as a group were termed black death. The exit count used by my 8-way teams and several others was Blue sky/ Black Death. Sport parachuting became Sport Death. While the Black Death thing was an insider thing which translated to Hey yall, lets avoid danger up there it later got adopted and/or banned by folks who did not and do not understand what it means.

So just as goodby means God be with you

Blue sky/black death is a salute to the sky/earth that means something like lovely up there/watch out. "

THere's loads of threads about it.
Pat Works says something very similar (okay, the exact same thing) in The Way of Freefly (probably somewhere else, too). You might have read it there, Mike.




mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 12, 2003, 6:14 AM
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Chris
I like that it's good!
P.S.
That has always been one of my arguments when people ask why I don't get an AAD.

" But you may be unconscious...unable to pull!"

me..." Sorry life has never been that kind to me...I'll
be wide awake, fully aware of my screw up and it's
consequence"
...mikeCool


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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May 12, 2003, 9:13 AM
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Actually, that's me quoting directly from Pat Works.

Pat Works, who I saw this weekend at Perris, has been in the sport for over 40 years. If anybody knows anything about the good ol' days and the origins of the phrase, it's him.


diverdriver  (D 19012)

May 12, 2003, 9:15 AM
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In reply to:
Pat Works, who I saw this weekend at Perris, has been in the sport for over 40 years. If anybody knows anything about the good ol' days and the origins of the phrase, it's him.

meeeedeeeep.......GODFROG........meeedeeep


happythoughts  (D License)

May 12, 2003, 9:44 AM
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I have a few t-shirts by Dave Rickerby. Death is always pictured as the grim reaper in black robes, thus black death. In one of my fav pics, skydivers are falling through an hourglass. At the bottom, they come out as sand. The hourglass is held by the grim reaper. Another shirt has a bunch of skeletons with rigs on the outside holding onto the floater bar.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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May 12, 2003, 9:59 AM
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Essential reading . . .

http://www.afn.org/...ve/culture/bsbd.html

http://www.cs.fiu.edu/~esj/uwf/works.html

http://www.afn.org/...ve/rw/bbmsc/history/

http://www.works-words.com


fonzi

May 12, 2003, 10:08 AM
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thx for the links quade!


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May 13, 2003, 7:10 AM
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Was that Carlos C Godfrog? Damn! I read that book in 1985 and it was dated... maybe I should read it again!

t


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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May 13, 2003, 10:14 AM
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Carlos Gene Godfrog -- usually shortened to C.G. Godfrog.

Named for one of Pat Work's early mentors in the sport.


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diverdriver  (D 19012)

May 14, 2003, 8:15 AM
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In reply to:
Carlos Gene Godfrog -- usually shortened to C.G. Godfrog.

Named for one of Pat Work's early mentors in the sport.

And a cool trophy that any 10-way team would be honored to get. (cuz it's an honor to get it.)

The C.G. Godfrog Good Vibes Trophy.


nacmacfeegle  (D 11004)

May 14, 2003, 8:36 AM
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Is that the one with the bean bag frogs? If so, its not the trophy that counts, its the honour, and the fact that your team is without a doubt the coolest, vibeyest (?), downright nicest group of people in the comp. Which in my mind is what skydiving competitions are all about.Smile
Or am I mistaken again?AngelicCrazy


diverdriver  (D 19012)

May 14, 2003, 8:56 AM
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In reply to:
Is that the one with the bean bag frogs? If so, its not the trophy that counts, its the honour, and the fact that your team is without a doubt the coolest, vibeyest (?), downright nicest group of people in the comp. Which in my mind is what skydiving competitions are all about.Smile
Or am I mistaken again?AngelicCrazy

Dat b d 1.


kansasskydiver  (D 25659)

May 14, 2003, 10:26 AM
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i thought it came from the movie dropzone right?!?!?!? Wink


rdufokker  (C 13244)

Jun 21, 2010, 7:06 AM
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In one of the earlier threads that was mentioned by Airtwardo, I recall it being the "Ghoulidge crowd" headed by Ma Death. I don't remember her being one of the Snoots team. But I do remember her sitting in Mr. Douglas and starting the whole airplane to chant, "Death, Death, Death". As I recall she is the one with her son strapped to her in the Skies Call book. I think he was 7 in the picture.


Rickford56  (D 5676)

Nov 20, 2010, 6:59 PM
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It came out of a DZ in Casa Grande, AZ (The Gulch) before it was closed by the FAA in the mid 70's for bouncing too many people. Apparently, the FAA has a bounce quota and the Gulch exceeded it. Those people moved mostly to Coolidge, but we picked up a few in So. CA.


kimemerson  (D 13439)

Nov 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
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In reply to:
i thought it came from the movie dropzone right?!?!?!? Wink

As far as I can tell nothing came from that movie.


skyrider  (D 14710)

Nov 21, 2010, 12:39 PM
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Actually, that's me quoting directly from Pat Works.

Pat Works, who I saw this weekend at Perris, has been in the sport for over 40 years. If anybody knows anything about the good ol' days and the origins of the phrase, it's him.

If you don't know Pat Works , get a copy of "The Art of Freefall Relative Work" by Pat Works, then you will also understand the Godfrog!Wink

His artworks are incrediable too!


skyrider  (D 14710)

Nov 21, 2010, 12:42 PM
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Ooops, I see Quade already linked to them...

I have had the honor of jumping with Pat and sharing a few beers....Living History!



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