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Skydiving on towered aiports

 


glowfast

Jul 21, 2014, 3:49 PM
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Does anyone else skydive onto a towered airport?

Do they sterilize the entire airport airspace or just a section to allow jumpers to land safely?


adamUK  (C 104423)

Jul 22, 2014, 8:51 AM
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You might want to ask the guys at Skydive St George in the UK. They're at a towered airport and their airspace is controlled by ATC. They also run commercial passenger flights into and out of the airport but it's not a busy one.


BMFin

Jul 22, 2014, 11:37 AM
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Why do you ask?


Elisha  (D 31656)

Jul 22, 2014, 11:56 AM
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Skydive Santa Rosa WAS a towered DZ. It was a tandem mill (Cessna 182) at Sonoma County (Charles Schulz) Airport up until it closed in 2005. They marketed the dz as the only tower controlled airport in the state/country...but when you think about it, its a mixed blessing for the business.

Probably no chance in hell to re-open a dz there now with all of the commercial traffic since then.


justme12001  (D 29862)

Jul 22, 2014, 12:36 PM
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Skydive (North) Myrtle Beach is a towered airport, I have jumped there a fair amount. I'm sure it varies from airport to airport, but I found it to be an aggravation. The tower liked to put us on hold as we were coming on to jump run. The usual reason was either a plane was landing or about to take off.

I've jumped at quit a few airports that were not towered and never have had a problem with planes landing or taking off while we are dropping. Crazy


(This post was edited by justme12001 on Jul 22, 2014, 12:37 PM)


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 22, 2014, 1:18 PM
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Pitt Meadows is a "towered" airport and people have been skydiving onto it for the last 15-ish years.

Since Pitt Meadows (CYPK) is near Vancouver International Airport (CYVR), it is a "releiver" airport for air traffic destined for CYVR or Abbotsford. Because the airspace is so busy, CYPK is Class D or E airspace. When the tower is manned (dawn til midnight) it becomes Class D airspace and all air traffic must get permission from CYPK's tower.

The Pitt VOR beacon is part of the standard landing approach to CYVR ... traffic avoidance requires any aircraft to talk with air traffic control (ATC) above 5,000 feet (same height as the Golden Ears Mountains).

The pea gravel bowl is in a field off the approach end to runway 26 right. Since that field is swampy and abuts the end of the runway, it is useless for anything except growing hay.
When we jump, the Pitt tower shifts all local traffic away from runway 26 right. That is easy because runway 26 left is parallel and longer and aligned with the prevailing winds. Since the standard pattern for runway 26 left is on the south side of the airport, that puts small airplanes a more than a mile from skydivers.

If the ground winds shift to north or south, Pitt's tower might shift all landing and departing airplanes to runway 18/36. That puts traffic off the western edge of the DZ.

If skydivers miss the DZ, the most common error is westwards, which pits them in the middle of Pitt Airport. They have to stand where they land until we can send out a radio-equipped van to pick them up. That van must ask permission from the tower before they can drive onto taxiways or runways. They also need the tower's permission before crossing any runway or taxiway. Walking across runways or taxiways is forbidden.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jul 22, 2014, 2:37 PM
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In reply to:
If skydivers miss the DZ, the most common error is westwards, which pits them in the middle of Pitt Airport. They have to stand where they land until we can send out a radio-equipped van to pick them up. That van must ask permission from the tower before they can drive onto taxiways or runways. They also need the tower's permission before crossing any runway or taxiway. Walking across runways or taxiways is forbidden.

Aha! What if they actually land on a runway or taxiway?
Think carefully about your answer. Tongue


theplummeter  (C License)

Jul 23, 2014, 8:18 AM
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Earlier this year I was flying air ambulance in New Mexico and west Texas and ended up flying into Hobbs, NM which had a tower and a skydiving operation. It seemed like a headache for both ATC and the drop zone as they got held while I landed (IFR flight plan) even though I volunteered to take a different runway and had them in sight.


theonlyski  (D License)

Jul 23, 2014, 10:54 AM
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theplummeter wrote:
Earlier this year I was flying air ambulance in New Mexico and west Texas and ended up flying into Hobbs, NM which had a tower and a skydiving operation. It seemed like a headache for both ATC and the drop zone as they got held while I landed (IFR flight plan) even though I volunteered to take a different runway and had them in sight.

I was just wondering how much a jump pilot would want to sit there on the ground as the 3 planes in front of them are holding for release.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 23, 2014, 1:25 PM
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Andy9o8 wrote:
In reply to:
If skydivers miss the DZ, the most common error is westwards, which pits them in the middle of Pitt Airport. They have to stand where they land until we can send out a radio-equipped van to pick them up. That van must ask permission from the tower before they can drive onto taxiways or runways. They also need the tower's permission before crossing any runway or taxiway. Walking across runways or taxiways is forbidden.

Aha! What if they actually land on a runway or taxiway?
Think carefully about your answer. Tongue

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We teach "aim for an open, grassy field" during the first jup course. 99 percent of (Pitt Meadows) skydivers land on the grass.

The last time I saw anyone land on a runway, they heard an "embarrassing" (heels together, etc.) lecture from the chief pilot and spent half of the next day re-doing the canopy-control part of the first jump course. It did not help that the day before, I had to extract them from the top of a tree: the only tree landing I had to deal with in 15 years worth of jumping in Pitt Meadows.

Bottom line: if you land on asphalt on Pitt Meadows Airport, you are not welcome back.


grimmie  (D 18890)

Jul 23, 2014, 4:56 PM
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Call the USPA. They will give you all of the info needed for jumping at a towered airport.

Brown Field in San Diego handles various Navy teams and a tandem operation landing off site. Their tower is excellent handling jumpers, but the manager is a skydiver. A rare exception to the rule.Cool


AnalMike  (D 32642)

Jul 25, 2014, 4:54 PM
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Bozeman, MT used to allow jump operations on their very busy towered airport. We stopped jumping there when they told us essentially somewhere between 11:00 am - 2:00 pm was too busy with commercial traffic to jump. Just easier to relocate 30 miles away to a much calmer, non-towered airport. BUT they weren't too bad to deal with, a lot of us knew the tower guys personally, and invited them on tandems to keep the relations positive. It is all about maintaining that relationship with the tower guys. They are people just like you and me, making and keeping them as friends makes it very easy to have an op on a towered DZ. As for procedures, we regularly jumped while other VFR traffic was flying around. They always waited until we opened before releasing traffic to ensure visual separation but it all went fairly smooth!

Hope that helped somewhat.


wayneflorida  (D 30566)

Jul 26, 2014, 11:17 AM
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Andy9o8 wrote:
In reply to:
If skydivers miss the DZ, the most common error is westwards, which pits them in the middle of Pitt Airport. They have to stand where they land until we can send out a radio-equipped van to pick them up. That van must ask permission from the tower before they can drive onto taxiways or runways. They also need the tower's permission before crossing any runway or taxiway. Walking across runways or taxiways is forbidden.

Aha! What if they actually land on a runway or taxiway?
Think carefully about your answer. Tongue

Smile
Land on the runway/taxiway?- Wait for the flashing white light, or if you have a radio handy ask for progressive taxi instructions.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 26, 2014, 11:48 AM
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wayneflorida wrote:
Andy9o8 wrote:
In reply to:
If skydivers miss the DZ, the most common error is westwards, which pits them in the middle of Pitt Airport. They have to stand where they land until we can send out a radio-equipped van to pick them up. That van must ask permission from the tower before they can drive onto taxiways or runways. They also need the tower's permission before crossing any runway or taxiway. Walking across runways or taxiways is forbidden.

Aha! What if they actually land on a runway or taxiway?
Think carefully about your answer. Tongue

Smile
Land on the runway/taxiway?- Wait for the flashing white light, or if you have a radio handy ask for progressive taxi instructions.

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Our agreement with Pitt's ATC insisted on radio or telephone permission before walking across asphalt.


glowfast

Jul 27, 2014, 1:09 AM
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

We will be a tandem only op jumping at the end of the runway at least a mile from all other traffic in the area.

The tower manager has never seen skydiving before so is very caustious and wanting to close down the whole class D airspace whilst jumpers are in the air even though we would never be anywhere near other planes.

As you can imagine this has made us very popular with the other airport tenants. We are doing a test day and hopefully this will prove to the tower we can jump safely without closing half of the countries airpspace Laugh


(This post was edited by glowfast on Jul 27, 2014, 1:19 AM)


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 27, 2014, 3:39 PM
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Be polite to the pilots and take your trash away at the end of the day.


rjblake  (A 70178)

Jul 30, 2014, 1:44 AM
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The Flying Dutchmen parachute club is located at Rotterdam The Hague Airport in The Netherlands. The airport deals with around 51,000 aircraft movements and 1.5 million passengers per annum. The DZ/PLA is located a short distance from the airport itself and jumpers are ferried back to the club by buses. A passport is required to clear security and get to the aircraft, alongside business travelers and holidaymakers heading out. I'm sure there are some puzzled expressions seeing jumpers heading out through the gates kitted up and ready to go Crazy


Blis  (A License)

Jul 30, 2014, 6:40 AM
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rjblake wrote:
The Flying Dutchmen parachute club is located at Rotterdam The Hague Airport in The Netherlands. The airport deals with around 51,000 aircraft movements and 1.5 million passengers per annum. The DZ/PLA is located a short distance from the airport itself and jumpers are ferried back to the club by buses. A passport is required to clear security and get to the aircraft, alongside business travelers and holidaymakers heading out. I'm sure there are some puzzled expressions seeing jumpers heading out through the gates kitted up and ready to go Crazy

You guys have to actually go throught the gates? :O

At my home DZ we have a small area next to airport itself where "civilian" planes are and that's also where we load the plane. We use the same runway as the big passenger planes and other traffic so pilots have to always deal with the tower and request permission for drops. Most often we get to drop immediatly but occasionally we have to wait couple minutes in the air for our slot...



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