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Video tandem requirements


Luza  (D 62001)

Jul 2, 2014, 4:49 AM
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I'm looking into requirements for video tandem jumpers(VT). I'm a Norwegian skydiver and in Norway we have some requirements that I would like to change.
I know this is different around the world, but I would like to get inputs on what you belive the requirements should be. I would love to hear what your country og DZ is doing, wnd if you know; why.

Requirements could be minimum number of jumps, training program etc

In Norway this is the requirements for VT-license
- c-license (200 jumps, required before jumping with camera)
- minimum 50 jumps with camera filming RW
- minimum 20 of these 50 filmed on level as a tandem would be
- 20 films presented at a VT-seminar
- VT seminar held by experienced VT jumper and instructor 1 that is or has been tandem master

In my opinion things are in reverse order and does not ensure the safe and skillfull VT-jumper we want. I belive you should first attend some kind of seminar, then do some training while getting feedback and then do some examination jumps.
Todays solution does not take the jumpers experience into account. A freeflyer with 1000 jumps and hundres of camerajumps will (in most cases) need less training than a inexperienced jumper just reaching 200 jumps. A belly flyer with 1000 bellyjumps and no camerajumps will also need another kind of training.

The goal for the training should be to educate a safe VT-jumper that creates decent quality videos/photos.

As a TM og VT, what have you done or seen that have been scary? Incidents or almost incidents? What could have been done to prevent this? In your opinion, what is VTs missing when they start filming tandems? Some kind of skills (jumping, camerawork, whatever), understanding of tandem, attitude?

Trondheim, Norway

Please don't turn this into a discussion about payment for VTs, if this should be regulated by the USPA or DZ's or whatever;)

ridebmxbikes  (D 33588)

Jul 2, 2014, 5:45 AM
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Re: [Luza] Video tandem requirements [In reply to] Can't Post

The dz i jump at requires a 500 jump minimum to chase a tandem and experience using a camera. When i started the s&ta had a talk with me about flying around tandems and hand signals, made me go with him for evaluation and i also talked to other vt's about the slot i needed to fly. After the s&ta thought i was safe and a conservative flyer around tandems they let me put my camera back on so i could get criticed. i never really concentrated on filming specifically doing rw but did fly a camera a lot. Flying a tandem video slot is a lot different than an rw slot. As long as you are use to flying a camera and know the dangers of them. A seminar wouldve been cool but how much would that cost a new perspective vt. Just make sure he qualifies, talk to him about tandem safety, have him talk to other vidiots, and just take it one step at a time.

dragon2  (D 101989)

Jul 3, 2014, 12:29 AM
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Re: [Luza] Video tandem requirements [In reply to] Can't Post

I've seen more scary video from freeflyers than from RW flyers. Including from 1000+ jump (exceptionally) talented jumpers.
I've seen 200+ jumpers learning to video fly using tandems (that was soon put a stop to though).
Generally I'd trust the bellyflyer with 1000 jumps and no (outside) camera experience more than the freeflyer with 1000 jumps and plenty of video flying.

Jacked  (D 31319)

Jul 3, 2014, 3:00 PM
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 The Manufactures of the Tandem gear that your TM's hold their rating through requires min 500 jumps. If you are planning on holding a training program be sure you follow all the manufactures guidelines just for liability issues...
Times have changed just in the past 5 or 6 years regarding cameras because of the POV's.
Safety is paramount followed by a good quality product and anyone reading themselves to capture someones first skydive needs to have proved themselves before they hire on thats for sure.
There is a lot you can teach a willing skydiver that has the right reasons for doing what they want to do and " free jumps " is not a good reason. In my experience those are the worst in any field or rating that generates money...
You are heading down the right track, You have already done more than some places I know, Good on ya...

Laszloimage  (D 22468)

Jul 4, 2014, 6:21 PM
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Re: [dragon2] Video tandem requirements [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree.

For everybody:
UPT (used to be Relative Workshop) requires 500RW jumps to go chase/do relative work with a tandem. Addition to that 100 camera jumps to video a tandem. So it means 500 RW + 100 camera jump required to film a tandem!
By some reason this part of the tandem manufacturer's REQUIREMENT is ignored a lot, while it is just as serius as geting a tandem rating!
Further more here in the US tandem skydiving is regulated by the FAA (FAR Part 105) which clearly requires to comply with the tandem system manufacturer's standards and requirements. This means (now I can only talk about UPT's Sigma system) if a 150 jumps wonder goes out with a tandem here in the US is a violation of Federal Aviation Regulations!
I still need to look up Strong's rules (I can't exactly remember them) but they are similar too.

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