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RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 5:16 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
The connection is about as official as it gets, concerning NWA. The actual airline no longer exists, of course. I have given this person permission to use excerpts from the KC report, images, and the book. All of which they have now.

From what I hear, it is no longer my choice, since this person intends to use that information to reach the organization that now represents ex-NWA employees. That's why I said this person told me there may be others showing up in August.

Now my main worry is to expand the slideshow and make sure they have seats if they are going to come out all that way. They want to see everything on Kenny. Fine. We (co-writer and myself) will do the best we can. That's all anyone should expect.

An ex-employee of an airline does not speak for the airline or represent the official view of the airline unless they had an official capacity with the airline (as in an executive, decision making capacity) - such as it was. Do you really not get this or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

As Mark Bennett pointed out, a pilot or other employee that worked for the airline doesn't count. And Robert....you keep changing your story. Another credibility red flag.

Read/watch the co-pilots address to NW Historical Society. He brought up KC in his presentation so it's not like former NW employees are not aware that some are trying to make one of their own the hijacker.

A few people who view and post here regularly (I mean the ones I actually trust) already have all the details. And if you haven't figured out who the person is already, then I don't know what to say. If you look at what I actually provided, it should have been easy to figure out. I said it wasn't a member of the Flight 305 crew, or anyone who investigated the case originally, but that this person represents much of what NWA is now. Correct?

Now think about this real hard. WHO meets that criteria? Who might already have my phone number and feel familiar enough to call me, even though we've never met...someone who certainly saw me on the Decoded show...someone strongly associated with the airline, or what is left of the airline...which is memories and a group of very nice people...Wink (I'm not sure why you keep bringing up NWA as an 'airline'. It no longer exists. Other things associated with NWA still exist, but the airline does not.) The person has to do with the 'other things'.

*It's coming to you now*

See you in August, anyone who decides to show. If not, you can catch the results on YouTube.

EDIT: I just received another email from the NWA person. I have told them what is going on here, issued another Cooperland Miranda Warning, and then asked if they minded if I gave their name, etc. When they get back to me on this, I will have an update. Not that some of you deserve this courtesy, of course...Crazy But I don't suppose you'll stop whining about it until I do. You should know also that any poison-penning will be a complete waste of time. They have been well-informed on what Cooperland is capable of doing, and sometimes it isn't a pretty thing. They are prepared for this eventuality. (*laughs*) I had to apologize for even having to give the warnings, but they understood why. Hell, three-quarters of the posts around this village are nothing more than people slamming each other. Cooper is a sideshow, not the main subject by any means, and that's too bad because it should be the other way around. Jealousy and hatred run rampant.


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RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 5:59 PM
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Minnesota State Historical Society now has the following NWA records available to the public: (and a lot more)

PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT RECORDS

Location
Box 148.K.17.7B 18


Hijacking files:
Flight 714, July 1, 1968: To Cuba. 2 folders.
Flight 334, January 22, 1970: To Cuba.
Flight 305, November 24, 1971: D. B. Cooper.
Hijacker Cooper parachuted out of the airplane near Ariel, Wash.
Flight 734, December 24, 1971: Minneapolis-Chicago flight.
Flight 22, May 8, 1977: Tokyo-Honolulu flight.
Flight 608, July 11, 1980: Seattle.

Any of you Cooper Sleuths who don't mind dropping a few bucks onto your credit/debit card can obtain copies of those files. This information is certainly more relevant than who will be sitting in the audience at some slideshow about Kenny Christiansen.


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smokin99

Apr 26, 2014, 7:10 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
smokin99 wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
The connection is about as official as it gets, concerning NWA. The actual airline no longer exists, of course. I have given this person permission to use excerpts from the KC report, images, and the book. All of which they have now.

From what I hear, it is no longer my choice, since this person intends to use that information to reach the organization that now represents ex-NWA employees. That's why I said this person told me there may be others showing up in August.

Now my main worry is to expand the slideshow and make sure they have seats if they are going to come out all that way. They want to see everything on Kenny. Fine. We (co-writer and myself) will do the best we can. That's all anyone should expect.

An ex-employee of an airline does not speak for the airline or represent the official view of the airline unless they had an official capacity with the airline (as in an executive, decision making capacity) - such as it was. Do you really not get this or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

As Mark Bennett pointed out, a pilot or other employee that worked for the airline doesn't count. And Robert....you keep changing your story. Another credibility red flag.

Read/watch the co-pilots address to NW Historical Society. He brought up KC in his presentation so it's not like former NW employees are not aware that some are trying to make one of their own the hijacker.

A few people who view and post here regularly (I mean the ones I actually trust) already have all the details. And if you haven't figured out who the person is already, then I don't know what to say. If you look at what I actually provided, it should have been easy to figure out. I said it wasn't a member of the Flight 305 crew, or anyone who investigated the case originally, but that this person represents much of what NWA is now. Correct?

Now think about this real hard. WHO meets that criteria? Who might already have my phone number and feel familiar enough to call me, even though we've never met...someone who certainly saw me on the Decoded show...someone strongly associated with the airline, or what is left of the airline...which is memories and a group of very nice people...Wink (I'm not sure why you keep bringing up NWA as an 'airline'. It no longer exists. Other things associated with NWA still exist, but the airline does not.) The person has to do with the 'other things'.

*It's coming to you now*

See you in August, anyone who decides to show. If not, you can catch the results on YouTube.

EDIT: I just received another email from the NWA person. I have told them what is going on here, issued another Cooperland Miranda Warning, and then asked if they minded if I gave their name, etc. When they get back to me on this, I will have an update. Not that some of you deserve this courtesy, of course...Crazy But I don't suppose you'll stop whining about it until I do. You should know also that any poison-penning will be a complete waste of time. They have been well-informed on what Cooperland is capable of doing, and sometimes it isn't a pretty thing. They are prepared for this eventuality. (*laughs*) I had to apologize for even having to give the warnings, but they understood why. Hell, three-quarters of the posts around this village are nothing more than people slamming each other. Cooper is a sideshow, not the main subject by any means, and that's too bad because it should be the other way around. Jealousy and hatred run rampant.

Blevins...all of the negativity that you espouse as coming from other people has been evident in every response that you have made to me. If I took you seriously I might be offended by all of the veiled accusations, but I just consider the source.

Once again, I did not need the clues because that is not what I was getting at. I was talking about credibility and veracity. Truth in advertising if you will. Go back to the drawing board. You failed.

As for NWA - you are the one that originally brought up NWA as an airline (such as it is I believe was your reference). Do I really need to quote your post AGAIN???.
I used the term NWA as a literary device - allusion or amplification - google both, then take your pick.

But as per usual, you ignore the true context of the post and proceed to straw man with your accusatory (lol...poison-penning, are you for real?) and misleading characterizations of the post-- Assuming as usual that you will wear everyone out and have the last word.


smokin99

Apr 26, 2014, 7:14 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Minnesota State Historical Society now has the following NWA records available to the public: (and a lot more)

PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT RECORDS

Location
Box 148.K.17.7B 18


Hijacking files:
Flight 714, July 1, 1968: To Cuba. 2 folders.
Flight 334, January 22, 1970: To Cuba.
Flight 305, November 24, 1971: D. B. Cooper.
Hijacker Cooper parachuted out of the airplane near Ariel, Wash.
Flight 734, December 24, 1971: Minneapolis-Chicago flight.
Flight 22, May 8, 1977: Tokyo-Honolulu flight.
Flight 608, July 11, 1980: Seattle.

Any of you Cooper Sleuths who don't mind dropping a few bucks onto your credit/debit card can obtain copies of those files. This information is certainly more relevant than who will be sitting in the audience at some slideshow about Kenny Christiansen.

You're right about that. And nice suggestion, but we're way ahead of you, Robert.
Something much better. Boots on the ground as it were.... Right Vick?


smokin99

Apr 26, 2014, 7:25 PM
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I just have a feeling that they are going to be ....wait for it...I know I've got it here somewhere.......yep you guessed it.....public relations files!!

Translation....newspaper articles or press releases.
I hope I'm wrong.


RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 7:47 PM
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Smokin99 says in part:

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'Blevins...all of the negativity that you espouse as coming from other people has been evident in every response that you have made to me. If I took you seriously I might be offended by all of the veiled accusations, but I just consider the source.

Once again, I did not need the clues because that is not what I was getting at. I was talking about credibility and veracity. Truth in advertising if you will. Go back to the drawing board. You failed.

As for NWA - you are the one that originally brought up NWA as an airline (such as it is I believe was your reference). Do I really need to quote your post AGAIN???.
I used the term NWA as a literary device - allusion or amplification - google both, then take your pick.

But as per usual, you ignore the true context of the post and proceed to straw man with your accusatory (lol...poison-penning, are you for real?) and misleading characterizations of the post-- Assuming as usual that you will wear everyone out and have the last word...'
Straw man? Accusatory? Excuse me for living. You were not the one who had to print up an absolutely filthy-ass document full of filthy-ass comments signed with the same names as users here on this thread! Are you kidding me or what? Wake UP! Cooper nuts exist, and there is definitely hatred and jealousy in Cooperland. I had to print all that crap up on paper and mail it to Wordpress' co-founder in San Francisco. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. This isn't some pie-in-the-sky straw man stuff. This is reality. And Matt Mullenberg didn't think it was funny, either. The other guy...a Christian CNN writer who happened to do what he thought was a harmless Cooper article...was forced to delete the whole article to get rid of the comments. That REALLY pissed me off, because I think writers shouldn't be kicked around like that for no other reason than hatred and jealousy among Cooper researchers. I took DB Cooper off my Google News list after that. I didn't want to see any more of those articles or have to deal with them.

So now I no longer trust some of you. Accept that and move on. I did not create this situation. You did. (Not YOU personally, Smokin. I mean others, and they know who they are.)

To satisfy the whiners, I will no longer refer to my co-writer by anything but 'co-writer' and the person coming to see the slideshow as 'guy coming to the slideshow who wants to meet me'. Wink Unless I am ready to provide their full names, of course.

This person contacted me for a reason. They just want to see what we have on Christiansen, and whether it makes sense. That's the bottom line. As far as any opinions by that person on whether they think Cooper was a former NWA employee named Kenny...it is my job to present the best case possible and let him decide. Of course there is going to be interest by the NWA crowd in Kenny, I think that's a given. Actually, I'm surprised they took this long to contact me about it. At first, this person just wanted to see the KC report and anything else besides the book that presented evidence on KC. When they heard about the slideshow, they decided to fly out to see it. I'm a bit flattered this person would take the effort and time to do that, so I feel obligated to present the best I have on KC in the most organized fashion. That's really about it. Some of the comments I've read since I first announced this are...well, sort of like certain folks feel threatened by that.

I suppose if you have a vested interest in the case and you don't think KC was Cooper, then I can understand that attitude. I imagine it will be a packed house (due to the non-Cooper authors who will appear) and the media will be in attendance. This could frighten some people I guess. I don't know why. I don't suppose anyone's considered the idea that if I lay it out in public that someone might think to check on the evidence. Maybe they will discover Kenny wasn't the guy. But I will certainly provide the opportunity for them to find out for themselves.


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MarkBennett

Apr 26, 2014, 7:53 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Now think about this real hard. WHO meets that criteria? Who might already have my phone number and feel familiar enough to call me, even though we've never met...someone who certainly saw me on the Decoded show...someone strongly associated with the airline, or what is left of the airline...which is memories and a group of very nice people...Wink

Hmmmmm.....and this person is flying in from Minnesota? And, not on the 305 crew? The only Minnesota people I can think of are:

1) Lyle Christianson
2) Bob Knoss
3) Vicki Wilson

Is it Vicki?

Wink


RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 8:09 PM
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MarkBennett wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Now think about this real hard. WHO meets that criteria? Who might already have my phone number and feel familiar enough to call me, even though we've never met...someone who certainly saw me on the Decoded show...someone strongly associated with the airline, or what is left of the airline...which is memories and a group of very nice people...Wink

Hmmmmm.....and this person is flying in from Minnesota? And, not on the 305 crew? The only Minnesota people I can think of are:

1) Lyle Christianson
2) Bob Knoss
3) Vicki Wilson

Is it Vicki?

Wink

I know that's a joke. You probably figured out who the person is already. I provided enough clues, that's for sure. None of those people on your list are former employees of NWA, and none have anything to do with NWA in its current configuration, such as it is. So, to answer...no, no, no...and no.

It's not a big secret, but I have to wait for permission via email to provide an answer. Probably will arrive tomorrow. My co-writer has decided to leave revealing her identity up to me. So I will probably provide that at the same time. She too has received her Standard Cooper Nut Miranda Warnings. Wink

From the Cooperland series at Newsvine, regarding some posters on this thread:

Quote:
'They can be mean, hateful, and will go to any lengths to convince you they are right, sometimes even lying if it suits their ends. If you aren't convinced of their viewpoint, they will occasionally take the low road and post the worst things imaginable on any article or forum regarding Cooper about anyone else investigating the case. These actions are often based on jealousy or outright hatred, and seek to discredit others investigating the case, or those with an interest, in order to forward their own agenda...'

Every time I read that, I think it's the truest thing ever written about this thread...although I do have some good things to say about the thread as well.


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smokin99

Apr 26, 2014, 8:26 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Smokin99 says in part:

Quote:
'Blevins...all of the negativity that you espouse as coming from other people has been evident in every response that you have made to me. If I took you seriously I might be offended by all of the veiled accusations, but I just consider the source.

Once again, I did not need the clues because that is not what I was getting at. I was talking about credibility and veracity. Truth in advertising if you will. Go back to the drawing board. You failed.

As for NWA - you are the one that originally brought up NWA as an airline (such as it is I believe was your reference). Do I really need to quote your post AGAIN???.
I used the term NWA as a literary device - allusion or amplification - google both, then take your pick.

But as per usual, you ignore the true context of the post and proceed to straw man with your accusatory (lol...poison-penning, are you for real?) and misleading characterizations of the post-- Assuming as usual that you will wear everyone out and have the last word...'
Straw man? Accusatory? Excuse me for living. You were not the one who had to print up an absolutely filthy-ass document full of filthy-ass comments signed with the same names as users here on this thread! Are you kidding me or what? Wake UP! Cooper nuts exist, and there is definitely hatred and jealousy in Cooperland. I had to print all that crap up on paper and mail it to Wordpress' co-founder in San Francisco. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. This isn't some pie-in-the-sky straw man stuff. This is reality. And Matt Mullenberg didn't think it was funny, either. The other guy...a Christian CNN writer who happened to do what he thought was a harmless Cooper article...was forced to delete the whole article to get rid of the comments. That REALLY pissed me off, because I think writers shouldn't be kicked around like that for no other reason than hatred and jealousy among Cooper researchers. I took DB Cooper off my Google News list after that. I didn't want to see any more of those articles or have to deal with them.

So now I no longer trust some of you. Accept that and move on. I did not create this situation. You did. (Not YOU personally, Smokin. I mean others, and they know who they are.)

To satisfy the whiners, I will no longer refer to my co-writer by anything but 'co-writer' and the person coming to see the slideshow as 'guy coming to the slideshow who wants to meet me'. Wink

blevins.... google straw man fallacy. That is what you do with your responses. When a person can't or won't debate something on its merits they counter punch with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand but serves to obscure the original issue. And when I say accusations, yes - When you add all this crap to your responses, about filthy files, trust, stalking, nuts, children haters, book haters, yada, yada, it certainly appears that you are making veiled accusations towards people who challenge your posts on the merits.
Frankly, trust goes two ways.

As for the filthy posts. You did not have to print anything. You could have told the guy that someone was playing around with the comments on his web site impersonating people on this site with internet trash and let him delete them.

You are absolutely the only person on Planet Earth who is obsessed with your filthy pdf files - and the only one that keeps bringing them up. But for you, they would have been in the internet dung heap of history long ago. Why you felt the need to download and save them, and keep bringing them up is beyond the scope of this internet forum. I don't know, perhaps a room with a couch. Wink Treat internet trash with the disdain that it deserves and ignore it. And if you don't trust anyone then don't let em in your sandbox. Other than that....As you posted not too long ago....lighten up. You bring a whole lot of crap on yourself. Just saying.

And hey, referring to your co-writer and visitor as who they are is just as good as trying to present them as someone they aren't. Maybe better, come to think of it.
Truth, justice and the American way and all that jazz. Sounds like a good plan to me.

lol...just saw your edits....we should quit editing after a while and create a new post.
But trust me ...I don't feel threatened by anything that you have to say on the subject of KC. I just don't believe you've presented enough to make your case, and I don't think he was they type of guy that would do what Cooper did. Maybe someday you will prove me wrong...but until then.....just not seeing it. lol....and I doubt water boarding Geestman is gonna change that outcome.


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RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 8:41 PM
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Smokin99 says in part:

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'As for the filthy posts. You did not have to print anything. You could have told the guy that someone was playing around with the comments on his web site impersonating people on this site with internet trash and let him delete them.

You are absolutely the only person on Planet Earth who is obsessed with your filthy pdf files - and the only one that keeps bringing them up. But for you, they would have been in the internet dung heap of history long ago. Why you felt the need to download and save them, and keep bringing them up is beyond the scope of this internet forum...'
I had to print them up and send them to Mullenberg. (co-founder of Wordpress) The reason was two-fold. First, I brought up the subject at DZ long ago and warned users here that their names were possibly being cloned and really bad comments being made under their names there. No one bothered to check, and no one protested that their names were being used. Also...some folks around here kept linking to the article in DZ posts. So it was obvious they wanted attention to the comments. So I spoke to Regina Winkles, the author. She said, 'I will delete them'. A month later she hadn't and the number had grown to more than 400 comments. So I sent off the material to Mullenberg and he took care of it. I never made the material public and I never will. At least three of the people making those posts were matched up with their current DZ identities. The others I don't know. But two of them present themselves as legit investigators of the case here at DZ right now, which only proves that some people present one face publicly, and another where they play Joe Lowlife. And even then, I never named them or called them out personally. Matt Mullenberg was so pissed off about the whole thing that he told Regina that she could either delete the really bad ones or he would delete all her articles and her account to boot. It was a lot of trouble for everybody, not some 'straw man' crud. The CNN writer? I just felt sorry for him. He didn't deserve that.

As far as I'm concerned, the situation is resolved.

No one tried to guess from the picture which of the women is my co-writer. You guys have no sense of humor sometimes, I swear. Cool Picture attached...again. Yes, she is in the picture.


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smokin99

Apr 26, 2014, 9:02 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Smokin99 says in part:

Quote:
'As for the filthy posts. You did not have to print anything. You could have told the guy that someone was playing around with the comments on his web site impersonating people on this site with internet trash and let him delete them.

You are absolutely the only person on Planet Earth who is obsessed with your filthy pdf files - and the only one that keeps bringing them up. But for you, they would have been in the internet dung heap of history long ago. Why you felt the need to download and save them, and keep bringing them up is beyond the scope of this internet forum...'
I had to print them up and send them to Mullenberg. (co-founder of Wordpress) The reason was two-fold. First, I brought up the subject at DZ long ago and warned users here that their names were possibly being cloned and really bad comments being made under their names there. No one bothered to check, and no one protested that their names were being used. Also...some folks around here kept linking to the article in DZ posts. So it was obvious they wanted attention to the comments. So I spoke to Regina Winkles, the author. She said, 'I will delete them'. A month later she hadn't and the number had grown to more than 400 comments. So I sent off the material to Mullenberg and he took care of it. I never made the material public and I never will. At least three of the people making those posts were matched up with their current DZ identities. The others I don't know. But two of them present themselves as legit investigators of the case here at DZ right now, which only proves that some people present one face publicly, and another where they play Joe Lowlife. And even then, I never named them or called them out personally. Matt Mullenberg was so pissed off about the whole thing that he told Regina that she could either delete the really bad ones or he would delete all her articles and her account to boot. It was a lot of trouble for everybody, not some 'straw man' crud. The CNN writer? I just felt sorry for him. He didn't deserve that.

As far as I'm concerned, the situation is resolved.

No because you still don't understand the straw man "crud". To bring up all of that bullshit in response to a post about something completely different because you can't or won't debate the issue on its merits is known a straw man argument.

Example of a straw man argument:

Question to Blevins: Do you have documentation that proves A gave a loan to B?

Response from Blevins: I interviewed B 10 times and she always said the same thing. The only reason you people don't believe A did everything that I say he did is because you just don't like me and anything to do with Kenny threatens you, and besides you people can't be trusted and I tell everyone I come in contact, especially the high sheriff at Auburn days that you are all a bunch of Cooper nuts and I have the filthy pdf files to prove it - filthy files that no one even cared enough to go check out except for all those people that did. That proves there are Cooper nuts. So see if doesn't matter what I say about A and B cause you are all a bunch of scary, evil cooper nuts.

Face it.....We've heard the filthy posts review for a million years. If it's resolved then quit bringing it up everytime you respond to a challenging post. Sheesh.

I've got a great sense of humor. I just didn't open your picture. The last time I did I got a bunch of evil spam malware. Must of been from a cooper nut. LaughLaughLaugh


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georger

Apr 26, 2014, 9:54 PM
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smokin99 wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Smokin99 says in part:

I've got a great sense of humor. I just didn't open your picture. The last time I did I got a bunch of evil spam malware. Must of been from a cooper nut. LaughLaughLaugh

If true then this is a matter for Quade.

I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the
past.

I would suppose Sir Blev's hands are clean, or he would claim
any malware came from some other source ? Perhaps from
Quade himself? Or someone at DZ in a position to infect posts?

Have you any proof malware came with a Blevins' posted photo
or doc?


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RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
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Malware? From a picture I posted? Are you kidding me, or what? I don't write code and everything coming in or going out on these office computers is scanned by the proper software. Let's try to stay with reality please, shall we? Smile

Smokin99: You keep speaking about issues. Do you have one? Is there a question in there somewhere? I have tried to answer questions occasionally. What the heck is it you want to know exactly?

And what is this BS from Georger:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'

On a more serious note. The next time you bring up my name and malware in the same sentence you'd better be ready to provide at least a shred of evidence or I will file a complaint with Quade about your statements. And I rarely go to him about anything here. For the record: I have never spammed anyone or loaded malware into images. I'm a writer, not a computer programmer or software engineer. I can barely play Super Nintendo.

EDIT: I had to correct this post. (again!) That comment WAS Georger's. Geez, Louise. But the way you wrote it, you make it look as if Smokin said it. I don't know how you managed that. But you should examine your post there again. You credited your own statements to Smokin. Crazy


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georger

Apr 26, 2014, 10:38 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Malware? From a picture I posted? Are you kidding me, or what? I don't write code and everything coming in or going out on these office computers is scanned by the proper software. Let's try to stay with reality please, shall we? Smile

Smokin99: You keep speaking about issues. Do you have one? Is there a question in there somewhere? I have tried to answer questions occasionally. What the heck is it you want to know exactly?

And what is this BS:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'

On a more serious note. The next time you bring up my name and malware in the same sentence you'd better be ready to provide at least a shred of evidence or I will file a complaint with Quade about your statements. And I rarely go to him about anything here. For the record: I have never spammed anyone or loaded malware into images. I'm a writer, not a computer programmer or software engineer. I can barely play Super Nintendo.

EDIT: I had to correct this post. At first I thought it was Georger saying that malware stuff.

'The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is...'
Winston Churchill

Earth to Blevins!

Smokin posted, if you bothered to read which you obviously didn;t.

quote: I've got a great sense of humor. I just didn't open your
picture. The last time I did I got a bunch of evil spam malware.
Must of been from a cooper nut.


why are you here at all!? why do you exist?


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RobertMBlevins

Apr 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
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Total BS from you. I see now that Smokin made a little joke there, and then YOU jump on that (with a sloppy, wrongly-credited post) saying you've heard 'from others' something about me embedding malware into images. That's a fairly serious accusation. Now you are trying to dodge that. Do you even think before you make comments like that, or do they just come off the top of your head without thinking?

RobertMBlevins wrote:
Malware? From a picture I posted? Are you kidding me, or what? I don't write code and everything coming in or going out on these office computers is scanned by the proper software. Let's try to stay with reality please, shall we? Smile

Smokin99: You keep speaking about issues. Do you have one? Is there a question in there somewhere? I have tried to answer questions occasionally. What the heck is it you want to know exactly?

And what is this BS from Georger:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'

On a more serious note. Georger, the next time you bring up my name and malware in the same sentence (while claiming 'others' along the way) you'd better be ready to provide at least a shred of evidence or I will file a complaint with Quade about your statements. And I rarely go to him about anything here. For the record: I have never spammed anyone or loaded malware into images. I'm a writer, not a computer programmer or software engineer. I can barely play Super Nintendo.

EDIT: I had to correct this post. (again!) That comment WAS Georger's. Geez, Louise. But the way you wrote it, you make it look as if Smokin said it. I don't know how you managed that. But you should examine your post there again. You credited your own statements to Smokin. Crazy

Anytime you guys decide to post something actually related to the Cooper case, be sure and let people know it's coming...so other users won't blow a fuse out of shock. Cool


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skyjack71

Apr 26, 2014, 11:27 PM
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Smoking99
If you don't chill out you are going to have a heart attack. Blevins sooner or later gets everyone riled up, because that is what he does....

Blevins is a little spoiled boy inside of an adult body. My impression is he had a spoiled and rotten childhood probably without a father image. Perhaps a child of proverty who lived in a world of fantasty and why he turned to writing. It was his only outlet. I expect his mother was very domineering out of necessity - playing both the mother and father role.

He is a grown man now and time to learn to live in the real world - a world he does not control. He manuevers this thread just the way he has lived is life -but, NOW he is caught in this world of Cooper and a place that needs answers. As I child he always got his way and manuever his mother with his tantrums and his stories. He probably lied himself out of everything he ever did.

Now he is an adult caught up in Cooper world and he is pulling his child like antics and manuvers in a world of adults who know much more than he does. Rather than face the truths about the story he created to fulfill his fantasy...he will face a humilitation that will probably institutionalize him. He has become more obcessed and irrational in the last 2 yrs. I have watched it progress and now it is a real problem.

He now actually believes all of the fantasy he created is real and factual.

He has to supposedly work to provide for himself, but he expends so much time and energy on his "story" and is so deeply rooted in his "story" that he self destructs...frankly I believe he will crash and burn...if the real Cooper is ever revealed. He is banking on that not happening in his life time.

Not one person in his story will come forward and vouch for him. He tells their story for them and you can bet they have NO concept of what goes on in this thread.

Blevins knows that when it comes to going public one of those individuals will come forward to dismiss him and proclaim the things he said are lies. If his subjects had knowledge of this thread - do you not think they would have come here to defend him if what he says is true.

The truth is they know nothing of this thread. They thought the story was a dead issue that would fade away. They know since they signed certain papers that it would create a finacial hardship to disclaim his story & would cause them hardship & stress they do not need in their lives.

Everyone of them are older than I am.

He will go the extremes to keep himself front & center and he does NOT really care about any proof anyone could offer to disclaim his story.

He has even gone so far as to proclaim things regarding the FBI's acceptance of his story & is banking on support for his story because the FBI would love for the Cooper story to end.

One thing about Jo Weber is that she was actually involved in an intimate way with her subject & has not sought other than fleetingly of profiting from what she has told. All she wanted was vindication and the truth and to fill in the missing holes in the life of a man who confessed to be Dan Cooper. She found a sordid convoluted past that seemed to be unreal & packed with impossibilities.

Jo Weber has NO reason or motive to lie or progabagate her story other than to seek the truth and to vindicate herself for the things she believes to be true. Like Blevins I have had to fill in a lot of the blank spots.

The only place Jo comes to discuss the issues is this thread - but, I have come to realize that the truths will never be known, but to have knowledge that someone like Blevins created his character with lies and deception makes it a hard pill to swallow...I can accept defeat because I lived with this man and I thought I knew him and I found more to support Weber was who he claimed, but not enough to prove it.

Enough said - I am just too old and too tired to fight Blevins or to pursue the chase any longer. Frankly I hope someone goes to his shindig and stands up and unexpectantly announces the REAL Cooper has been identified and denounce Blevins publically for his exploitations of eldery individuals and proclaim the falsehoods he has introduced and publicized...it is people like Blevins who interfer with REAL investigations.

The power of the written word to create falsehoods has superceded the truths. This is true of our government & the real history changed to accommodate the fantasies or what the government wants the population to believe...not just about Cooper, but in just about every realm of history.

Good Night!

P.S. Blevins politely step off the podium because if not you may have garbage thrown at you & be thrown into the the stage pit...that might hurt! You might even be trampled in the onslaughter of the truths.

Take a trip to Spokane, Bellingham, Snohomish, Maryville, Nooksack, Linden and Whatcom! What you might find might surprise you. Maybe the footprints of the past lie within the archived records of the land and an old gold mind.

Go on over into Canada while you are at it...a place called Surry, Burnaby & Langley.


georger

Apr 26, 2014, 11:38 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Total BS from you. I see now that Smokin made a little joke there, and then YOU jump on that (with a sloppy, wrongly-credited post) saying you've heard 'from others' something about me embedding malware into images. That's a fairly serious accusation. Now you are trying to dodge that. Do you even think before you make comments like that, or do they just come off the top of your head without thinking?

RobertMBlevins wrote:
Malware? From a picture I posted? Are you kidding me, or what? I don't write code and everything coming in or going out on these office computers is scanned by the proper software. Let's try to stay with reality please, shall we? Smile

Smokin99: You keep speaking about issues. Do you have one? Is there a question in there somewhere? I have tried to answer questions occasionally. What the heck is it you want to know exactly?

And what is this BS from Georger:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'

On a more serious note. Georger, the next time you bring up my name and malware in the same sentence (while claiming 'others' along the way) you'd better be ready to provide at least a shred of evidence or I will file a complaint with Quade about your statements. And I rarely go to him about anything here. For the record: I have never spammed anyone or loaded malware into images. I'm a writer, not a computer programmer or software engineer. I can barely play Super Nintendo.

EDIT: I had to correct this post. (again!) That comment WAS Georger's. Geez, Louise. But the way you wrote it, you make it look as if Smokin said it. I don't know how you managed that. But you should examine your post there again. You credited your own statements to Smokin. Crazy

Anytime you guys decide to post something actually related to the Cooper case, be sure and let people know it's coming...so other users won't blow a fuse out of shock. Cool

OK Blevins: Smokin said above:

I've got a great sense of humor. I just didn't open your
picture. The last time I did I got a bunch of evil spam malware.
Must of been from a cooper nut. LaughLaughLaugh "


I take what she said at face value.

I take by "Cooper nut" she was referring to you!

Why don't you address her - it was HER post - duhhhhhhhhhh.


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RobertMBlevins

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georger wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Total BS from you. I see now that Smokin made a little joke there, and then YOU jump on that (with a sloppy, wrongly-credited post) saying you've heard 'from others' something about me embedding malware into images. That's a fairly serious accusation. Now you are trying to dodge that. Do you even think before you make comments like that, or do they just come off the top of your head without thinking?

RobertMBlevins wrote:
Malware? From a picture I posted? Are you kidding me, or what? I don't write code and everything coming in or going out on these office computers is scanned by the proper software. Let's try to stay with reality please, shall we? Smile

Smokin99: You keep speaking about issues. Do you have one? Is there a question in there somewhere? I have tried to answer questions occasionally. What the heck is it you want to know exactly?

And what is this BS from Georger:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'

On a more serious note. Georger, the next time you bring up my name and malware in the same sentence (while claiming 'others' along the way) you'd better be ready to provide at least a shred of evidence or I will file a complaint with Quade about your statements. And I rarely go to him about anything here. For the record: I have never spammed anyone or loaded malware into images. I'm a writer, not a computer programmer or software engineer. I can barely play Super Nintendo.

EDIT: I had to correct this post. (again!) That comment WAS Georger's. Geez, Louise. But the way you wrote it, you make it look as if Smokin said it. I don't know how you managed that. But you should examine your post there again. You credited your own statements to Smokin. Crazy

Anytime you guys decide to post something actually related to the Cooper case, be sure and let people know it's coming...so other users won't blow a fuse out of shock. Cool

OK Blevins: Smokin said above:

I've got a great sense of humor. I just didn't open your
picture. The last time I did I got a bunch of evil spam malware.
Must of been from a cooper nut. LaughLaughLaugh "


I take what she said at face value.

I take by "Cooper nut" she was referring to you!

Why don't you address her - it was HER post - duhhhhhhhhhh.

No. I was addressing you. I figured out pretty quick Smokin's post was a joke.

YOU were the one who added this:

Quote:
'I know others have had concerns about the same thing in the past...'
(Yours truly supposedly embedding malware into images for posting at Dropzone)

What 'others'? You continually refer to others or represent yourself as speaking FOR them. 'We' think this or 'we' think that. Since you seem to be the spokesperson for this 'we' entity, maybe you should expand on your comment and identify 'them' while providing some proof your statement isn't simply a lie you didn't think through before posting it.

Or just admit you made it up, which I think is much more likely.

Unless you can provide anything at all to defend that irresponsible statement of yours, I think you owe me an apology. Not that I'll get it, of course.


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ParrotheadVol

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Robert, are the witnesses who say that Kenny never wore his toupee after the hijacking the same witnesses who say he missed Thanksgiving 1971?


MarkBennett

Apr 27, 2014, 9:51 AM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
I know that's a joke. You probably figured out who the person is already. I provided enough clues, that's for sure. None of those people on your list are former employees of NWA, and none have anything to do with NWA in its current configuration, such as it is.

And, not a member of the crew of flight 305? I have no idea who you might be referring to.


RobertMBlevins

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MarkBennett wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
I know that's a joke. You probably figured out who the person is already. I provided enough clues, that's for sure. None of those people on your list are former employees of NWA, and none have anything to do with NWA in its current configuration, such as it is.

And, not a member of the crew of flight 305? I have no idea who you might be referring to.

I probably should not have brought it up at all if I were not willing to provide a name and a reference. I apologize for dangling that out there. After some thought, I decided this wasn't a fair thing to do. The person involved did not specifically request that I keep them a secret, but I wasn't sure if I should reveal their name or not. Look, I won't harp on the 'comment' or 'trust' issue anymore, but I do have trust issues with some posters here. Guess I will have to make decisions occasionally. Like...if I can't complete a post, I shouldn't even make the post at all. I told a couple of people privately who the person was, yes. But I will wait for a reply to my email asking permission before I reveal who they are publicly, and how they are associated with NWA in its present form.

ParrotheadVol asks:

Quote:
'Robert, are the witnesses who say that Kenny never wore his toupee after the hijacking the same witnesses who say he missed Thanksgiving 1971?'

Partly. Dawn Androsko, Bernie Geestman's sister, said that Kenny owned a toupee and although he didn't wear it on his job, that he would wear it socially sometimes. She said she never saw him wear it after the date of the hijacking. I didn't ask her about anybody missing over Thanksgiving because I didn't know at that early stage that Bernie had gone missing that week. Androsko was the very first interview I did, and Bernie was later, and then later the series of interviews with Margaret Geestman. Then one with Jones and daughter as Decoded was filming, and then finally...the last interview with Margaret. There were others along the way, like that McWilliams character's ex-wife, and a friend of Margie's up in Brewster, WA, but I didn't mention them in the book because none of them could directly link any of the principals to the hijacking. They were mostly interviews to obtain background on other folks.

It's too bad I didn't ask where Dawn Androsko was over Thanksgiving because I heard later she was living with the Geestmans' at some point after she moved out to Washington with her kids. I hardly knew a thing about any of them early on, and yes...I probably failed on asking some questions of Androsko I should have. I got sidetracked when she freely admitted to the cash loan from Kenny, and then ID'd the tie clip as Kenny's from the unmarked FBI picture. I was like, 'whaaat?' and totally surprised.

From what I heard later, Androsko was in and out with the Geestmans' and those kids of hers, but by mid-72 she apparently used the money she got from Kenny to buy a house out in Buckley. Her daughter and her three grandsons say the same thing, although I didn't get this from them until much later, until maybe late 2011...long after the book and tv show came out. The daughter had emailed me, and then called me after I provided my phone number.

Margie Geestman and her husband said yes, Kenny owned a toupee. Neither said anything about when or where he wore it. Helen Jones, same testimony. Jones' daughter didn't know one way or another.

I don't think anyone will get to the complete truth on Kenny without putting all these people into the same room and asking some very pointed questions. I will be very frank here. I just gave up trying to sort it all out. I go over my notes sometimes. And the recordings. I try to figure out why Bernie Geestman kept lying to me about this or that, or how come the only Foss Tugs logbook missing from the burglary at Margie's house was the one from 1971. Whatever.

Sometimes the whole situation with these people reminds me of the movie Fargo. Let someone else figure it out. If the Seattle FBI ever decides to check out KC or to question these people, I gave them plenty enough to start with. At least I gave them more than some unsupported story from an eight-year-old girl. Smile

But I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. This is the main reason I agreed to do one more slideshow presentation on Kenny, because I thought with the media in attendance this time, that maybe they would finally take the time to do a cursory check on the available, such-as-it-is, this-is-all-we-got-so-far evidence on him. Like I said, I'm not holding my breath on it.

Not that it matters, but Bernie Geestman told a nice fat lie on television, too. It's the part where he tries to get sympathy from the cast by saying he was at Kenny's deathbed. Kenny died at home in the care of Carolyn Tyner and her then-husband Robin Powell. Carolyn says NO ONE visited Kenny while he was dying except Lyle Christiansen and Kenny's doctor. And the way she described how Kenny died made me feel sorry for the guy. It was just terrible. He required much personal care and suffered greatly. His family believes his cancer could have been as a result of his job near those A-bomb tests, the job he took after he worked on Shemya, but before he returned to Seattle and re-applied to NWA as a purser.


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MarkBennett

Apr 27, 2014, 10:57 AM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Sometimes the whole situation with these people reminds me of the movie Fargo.
How does it remind you of Fargo. Did someone end up in the wood chipper?Wink


georger

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MarkBennett wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Sometimes the whole situation with these people reminds me of the movie Fargo.
How does it remind you of Fargo. Did someone end up in the wood chipper?Wink

Reminds me of "Superman vs The Mole Men" . It's a farce.

Crazy


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377  (F 666)

Apr 27, 2014, 12:31 PM
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georger wrote:
MarkBennett wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Sometimes the whole situation with these people reminds me of the movie Fargo.
How does it remind you of Fargo. Did someone end up in the wood chipper?Wink

Reminds me of "Superman vs The Mole Men" . It's a farce.

Crazy

The Mole Men chose their gear wisely Georger. Just finished repairing my half century old Electrolux torpedo canister vacuum. It's a BEAST. Huge motor. Just needed new brushes and a commutator burnishing. Runs like new. Sounds like a 1950s turbojet. Whines and roars. They don't make em like this any more.

377


RobertMBlevins

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377 wrote:
georger wrote:
MarkBennett wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
Sometimes the whole situation with these people reminds me of the movie Fargo.
How does it remind you of Fargo. Did someone end up in the wood chipper?Wink

Reminds me of "Superman vs The Mole Men" . It's a farce.

Crazy

The Mole Men chose their gear wisely Georger. Just finished repairing my half century old Electrolux torpedo canister vacuum. It's a BEAST. Huge motor. Just needed new brushes and a commutator burnishing. Runs like new. Sounds like a 1950s turbojet. Whines and roars. They don't make em like this any more.

377

I have a Rainbow vacuum that does the same thing. You switch it on, and the sound builds from the ground up. Sounds like a jet pilot switching on the engines for his F-16.

Our newest release is DONE! We're releasing for Kindle in 24 hours.

(And if you missed the pictures I put up for a while...I'm sorry about that. I had no intention of leaving them up very long) Angelic


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